Only if he's sacked so that he doesn't care for the money AEK cannot give him.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Would you take another season like last season, lose 22 matches and finish 17th if it guaranteed winning the CL?
Are you ITK?
can you sweeten the pot and add that you'll fuck off into the sun too?
It's not who we are mate.
To some degree this is just a different philosophy of enjoyment. It’s like trying to convince someone to switch political parties are religion.
Some people think that 17th and a trophy is having a better season than 2nd and no trophy. I’m not one of them and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But it seems that trying to convince those so deeply entrenched on either side seems pointless.
Some people think that 17th and a trophy is having a better season than 2nd and no trophy. I’m not one of them and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But it seems that trying to convince those so deeply entrenched on either side seems pointless.
Thing is, it doesn't work like that does it? The vast majority of the time, the CL winners are either champions or 2nd place in their league that season. Success in the league has a very high correlation with cup success. You can't get to a CL final without beating some of the best sides in Europe along the way (one or two seasons might challenge that). This last season was, by any statistitical benchmark, an abberation. The Guardian 'Knowledge' column covered it off last week pretty well.
What are the worst European football finals … based on league position? | The Knowledge
Plus: more strange player-of-the-match awards and shot-shy winners; and did Brian Clough deliberately go down to 10 men?
www.theguardian.com
Edit: This article also contains a very relevant pearl from arguably the greatest manager in England: "The two clubs had drawn the first game 0-0 and Forest were 2-1 up in the first replay when a Roy Keane backpass led to John Salako chipping Mark Crossley from distance and Keane finding himself on the dressing room floor – Clough punched him in the face and said: “Never play the ball back to the goalkeeper.”
Money they cannot give him and might not pay him even if they promised it
If you were available to play as a 10 you should have told Ange.
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why would anyone have to be ITK to know that? pay attention dipstick!
You can't guarantee that, but you don't need to be that amazing for top half anyway.
Winning 15 games was enough for 9th and 20 games enough for 2nd this season. We won 11.
People talk about our start and finish to last season and overlook the middle.
Game 16 to game 32 saw us pick up 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats - which is form good enough for 2nd this season.
We started with league winning form, went through the middle with top 4 form, then ended the season with bottom third form. It's disingenuous to say those first 10 games were the only time we were decent in the league. Lying can win people over but not me.
Pretty convenient huh.
United lost the EL Final, had a much worse season than us but their manager is confirmed and they are already moving fast and targeting more established players than us.
Agree with all of that.
I'd actually rather we don't sack off any cups. We aren't winning the league with Levy. But we should - with the player budget we have - be coming top 8 and winning the odd pot, and playing with organisation, style and dominance. We should be improving players. We should be putting Tamworth away for 5 or 6 in normal time. Etc etc.
No, not really. You cannot do that anymore. UEFA sanctions would be unbearable.
That's a good question. I would say no, but for selfish reasons. I subscribe to two streaming services here in the US and saw all the matches last season (what was it, about 50?). Out of those 50, a really high percentage were awful. I think good Spurs fans who have followed the team all their lives put a very high value on the trophy and it seems like a majority want him to return because of it. I certainly understand and appreciate that. But, I don't want to endure watching that much bad football again. Maybe Postecoglou can turn it around, but what I saw this season makes me think he can't get the job done.
Agree with all of this but after watching Redknapp, Poch, Mourinho and Conte all get dumped out Europe and domestic cups year after year with much better teams than the one we currently have I''m taking Ange's time as a win in the overall scheme of things
Well put.
The other factor that has been mentioned here is that this trophy with the 17 year monkey on the back being thrown off at last, has particularly high value. We aren't winning the PL or CL under Ange (just typing it even is LOL tbh). So are we going to get anything like the same buzz from an FA Cup or CC win with another dire league performance (and that btw, is likely the BEST case under Ange). I doubt it. His job is done. We squeaked home and got the monkey off our backs. Great. Let's move on and play good football and try and win a pot with style.
We won one of our last 12 games. Against Southampton. The 2nd worst team in PL history.
He ain't turning this around. He'll be gone before the leaves turn brown and that's a season and a lot of money down the shitter.
It's also a lot of potential coaches gone.