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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Matt1882 said:
I can guarantee you we can't.
He hasn't been any good in the league since the conclusion of his honeymoon period.
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You can't guarantee that, but you don't need to be that amazing for top half anyway.
Winning 15 games was enough for 9th and 20 games enough for 2nd this season. We won 11.

People talk about our start and finish to last season and overlook the middle.
Game 16 to game 32 saw us pick up 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats - which is form good enough for 2nd this season.

We started with league winning form, went through the middle with top 4 form, then ended the season with bottom third form. It's disingenuous to say those first 10 games were the only time we were decent in the league. Lying can win people over but not me.
 
Phomesy said:
Fair enough.

Dunno why everyone's banging on about the manager when we should all be focusing on the massive great holes in our squad - let alone the overall quality. Let's hope for a big transfer window.
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Pretty convenient huh.


United lost the EL Final, had a much worse season than us but their manager is confirmed and they are already moving fast and targeting more established players than us.
 
BlackLips said:
To some degree this is just a different philosophy of enjoyment. It’s like trying to convince someone to switch political parties are religion.

Some people think that 17th and a trophy is having a better season than 2nd and no trophy. I’m not one of them and it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. But it seems that trying to convince those so deeply entrenched on either side seems pointless.
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pick a side bruv

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Phomesy said:
I remember when Poch first said it wasn't about winning trophies but being able to consistently put yourself in a position to win them that mattered.

Many were pissed at this because they seemed to think he was disrespecting the FA and League cups but I always agreed with him because cup runs are nice but league position is the true marker. I still generally agree with this BUT a European Trophy is a big fucking deal and if it comes at the cost of league position for one year I'm more than happy with it.

BTW: When Poch got us to the CL final it came on the back of an end of year collapse in league form that would carry on into the next season and get him sacked.

Also Poch's 11 was lightyears better than what we have now.
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Agree with all of that.

I'd actually rather we don't sack off any cups. We aren't winning the league with Levy. But we should - with the player budget we have - be coming top 8 and winning the odd pot, and playing with organisation, style and dominance. We should be improving players. We should be putting Tamworth away for 5 or 6 in normal time. Etc etc.
 
Shadydan said:
Would you take another season like last season, lose 22 matches and finish 17th if it guaranteed winning the CL?
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That's a good question. I would say no, but for selfish reasons. I subscribe to two streaming services here in the US and saw all the matches last season (what was it, about 50?). Out of those 50, a really high percentage were awful. I think good Spurs fans who have followed the team all their lives put a very high value on the trophy and it seems like a majority want him to return because of it. I certainly understand and appreciate that. But, I don't want to endure watching that much bad football again. Maybe Postecoglou can turn it around, but what I saw this season makes me think he can't get the job done.
 
manmountainbutters said:
Agree with all of that.

I'd actually rather we don't sack off any cups. We aren't winning the league with Levy. But we should - with the player budget we have - be coming top 8 and winning the odd pot, and playing with organisation, style and dominance. We should be improving players. We should be putting Tamworth away for 5 or 6 in normal time. Etc etc.
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Agree with all of this but after watching Redknapp, Poch, Mourinho and Conte all get dumped out Europe and domestic cups year after year with much better teams than the one we currently have I''m taking Ange's time as a win in the overall scheme of things :D
 
Dudski said:
That's a good question. I would say no, but for selfish reasons. I subscribe to two streaming services here in the US and saw all the matches last season (what was it, about 50?). Out of those 50, a really high percentage were awful. I think good Spurs fans who have followed the team all their lives put a very high value on the trophy and it seems like a majority want him to return because of it. I certainly understand and appreciate that. But, I don't want to endure watching that much bad football again. Maybe Postecoglou can turn it around, but what I saw this season makes me think he can't get the job done.
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Well put.

The other factor that has been mentioned here is that this trophy with the 17 year monkey on the back being thrown off at last, has particularly high value. We aren't winning the PL or CL under Ange (just typing it even is LOL tbh). So are we going to get anything like the same buzz from an FA Cup or CC win with another dire league performance (and that btw, is likely the BEST case under Ange). I doubt it. His job is done. We squeaked home and got the monkey off our backs. Great. Let's move on and play good football and try and win a pot with style.
 
SameOldSpurs said:
You can't guarantee that, but you don't need to be that amazing for top half anyway.
Winning 15 games was enough for 9th and 20 games enough for 2nd this season. We won 11.

People talk about our start and finish to last season and overlook the middle.
Game 16 to game 32 saw us pick up 10 wins, 3 draws and 3 defeats - which is form good enough for 2nd this season.

We started with league winning form, went through the middle with top 4 form, then ended the season with bottom third form. It's disingenuous to say those first 10 games were the only time we were decent in the league. Lying can win people over but not me.
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We won one of our last 12 games. Against Southampton. The 2nd worst team in PL history.
He ain't turning this around. He'll be gone before the leaves turn brown and that's a season and a lot of money down the shitter.
It's also a lot of potential coaches gone.
 
Phomesy said:
Agree with all of this but after watching Redknapp, Poch, Mourinho and Conte all get dumped out Europe and domestic cups year after year with much better teams than the one we currently have I''m taking Ange's time as a win in the overall scheme of things :D
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In 2 seasons, he finished 5th without Kane and won our biggest trophy in 41 years.

He's comfortably our most successful manager in the modern era. He also had our worst league season in the modern era but the last 2 managers to have seasons as bad in the league were Bill Nich and Keith Burkinshaw.

Obviously people are struggling to adjust to the fact that someone they were sure they were "right" about has miraculously turned into the one who gave us all the best night of our lives as Spurs fans but in time, they will get there.

If we were a club that expected or even seriously tried to win the PL then it would be a different argument but under these owners we aren't so in reality, and in time, that league season will come to mean literally nothing. The EL win means something forever. Permanently etched into our memories long after anyone remembers what some spurs fan said online.
 
ThePreacher said:
I am sure that if Slott fielded a second eleven for most of the season, flirted with relegation, lost half their home games they too would win a Cup.

The issue isn't about ninety minutes of football is it?
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No, it’s not about ninety minutes of football. I’m saying that was more than ninety minutes of football. It’s a trophy win that numerous managers have failed to deliver. A trophy win we were crying out for. Gets a massive monkey off our back and shows we can get over the line, rather than bottling it like usual.

But, as I’ve been clear in saying, I personally don’t think that should save him, but I can see why the club would think it a good reason.
 
Matt1882 said:
We won one of our last 12 games. Against Southampton. The 2nd worst team in PL history.
He ain't turning this around. He'll be gone before the leaves turn brown and that's a season and a lot of money down the shitter.
It's also a lot of potential coaches gone.
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how dead will it to be going into that first league game with postecoglou too. lose that first game and it will be just as toxic as it was when he was getting called a fat cunt, and ear cupping fans for disallowed goals.
 
AberdeenYid said:
No, it’s not about ninety minutes of football. I’m saying that was more than ninety minutes of football. It’s a trophy win that numerous managers have failed to deliver. A trophy win we were crying out for. Gets a massive monkey off our back and shows we can get over the line, rather than bottling it like usual.

But, as I’ve been clear in saying, I personally don’t think that should save him, but I can see why the club would think it a good reason.
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The fact that the club have been weighing up this choice up until this point would indicate to me that they don't think it's a good reason.. They surely want to sack him otherwise you don't let the noise around his position and potential replacements fester like this. The thing that might save him is fear from them of a media shit storm and some fan backlash.
 
Harrier said:
If it wasn’t for the Ange in/out debate I don’t think that would be a thing at all.

Unfortunately there are some fans who constantly trot out ‘He’s won our first European trophy in 41 years’ as the only argument to retaining Ange, completely ignoring the dreadful league form or the context surrounding the favourable Europa League run.

The fact that so many Ange in fans are so stubbornly ignoring any other aspect is the prime reason behind it, otherwise it would just be the preserve of the gooner wind up merchants IMHO.
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If you think that our goal of winning the EL combined with the limited squad depth (and injuries) had nothing to do with the league results then It's ok. You're right.
 
daveyboy88 said:
how dead will it to be going into that first league game with postecoglou too. lose that first game and it will be just as toxic as it was when he was getting called a fat cunt, and ear cupping fans for disallowed goals.
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Levy needs to grow a set.
He's clearly scared of the backlash from braindead fans who can't see is for what we are. Managed by a totally talentless individual, who was, unlike every other manager in the ENIC era, given free reign to get a win a cup full of farmers.
 
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