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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Kaz Hirai said:
liverpool won the CL final against us with 39% possession
and 3 attempts on target all game

i wonder if they cared about the way they won it as much as spurs fans seem to about how we won the europa. I do wonder if they said it doesn't really mean much because they just stayed in a deep block against a team thats never been to a CL final with a midfield of winks and sissoko and a half dead harry kane

spurs supporters are truly a interesting bunch
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The only thing that mattered that night was winning it.

In the cold light of day you can sit and evaluate it if you want to. Doesn’t change the result.
Although we seem to have won more possession and made more passes this week than the uefa site showed last week. Which is weird.

And the fact will always remain that Ange Postecoglou won a trophy in his second season. Just like he said.

Bearing that in mind the best thing we can do for everyone is that when we do sack him, put in a clause he can’t manage any other premier league club.
Be shooting ourselves in the foot if he went to Woolwich.
 
We've played plenty of good football in semis and finals and come away with fuck all. To win it in that way was a pretty good fuck you to man utd as well.

We all know that way of playing isn't sustainable, look at Jose, look at conte, it worked great until it didn't and then we were just terrible. It's not pretty but cup competitions is all about the results and getting through. Nothing else matters.

The league is where you're really judged. And look at that. We've had over a year of dreadful form, no matter the mitigating circumstances, the manager hasn't looked like being able to change that at all. Winning the Europa doesn't change that for me. I see why it does for others, but I'm not sold on giving him another year
 
I've been critical of him, but he got the tactics just right in the final – just like he did away at Frankfurt.

We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.

Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.

If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.

You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.

Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
 
Phomesy said:
Nothing? 🤷‍♂️
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Well this is the Ange Postecoglou thread. Not the let's celebrate winning a european cup thread. This thread is for discussing the coach, and mostly notably the fact that it seems the club is making a decision on whether he should stay. Recognising the performance in the final was not particularly good or that Amorim has been equally bad as Ange is just part of the discussion on whether he should stay.

It doesn't diminish winning the EL or stop anyone enjoying winning it.
 
dudu said:
The reason we should part ways with him is because of the League and has zero to do with being able to get us over the line in a final.

That is maybe the only single reason to keep him?

What are you going on about in here, mate???
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Then we're agreed? Not sure why you're challenging me, if anything.

But I'd say the form in the league was diabolical for 18 months and the performance in the final is a very, very poor reason to keep him. Not miles apart.
 
SameOldSpurs said:
It's not a credible win if we didn't out perform them for xg and touches in the box I'm learning in this thread.

They didn't even win their own farmers league that season and are basically the only team in it.

Compared to Man Utd they are minnows, as are most teams in the world.
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They had great players like Enzo Scifo and Morten Olson, it really isnt like now where every good player is playing for the same 7 or 8 teams in Europe. They were fucking miles better than this current Utd team.
 
KingstonSpur said:
I've been critical of him, but he got the tactics just right in the final – just like he did away at Frankfurt.

We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.

Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.

If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.

You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.

Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
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The people planning on sticking around for next season and hoping to be able to watch us and be at least relatively happy on a weekend for 38 weeks of the year???
 
LLB Part Deux said:
No, you're fundemantally misunderstanding my point. Any Poch side would have probably beaten Man U in that final. Cups are about the luck of the draw, and neither Harry or Poch got through a whole cup run without playing a top side.

I jumped up and down, screamed, hugged my son, got mad drunk, 3 hours sleep, took the afternoon off work to come down to the parade and celebrated the result just like I'm sure 99% of this forum did - but trying to be rational and objective about it, the overall performance was bad. We got away with it because Man Utd are a clusterfuck and because Mickey has long legs.

We have been playing badly since December 2023. I'm over the moon we won the EL but sentimentality over that doesn't mean we should ignore everything else, and giving Ange the credit actually takes away from the players in that final.
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Try again

Third round2 January 2010Peterborough UnitedH4–0Kranjčar 35', 57', Defoe 70', Keane 90+5' (pen)35,862
Fourth round23 January 2010Leeds UnitedH2–2Crouch 42', Pavlyuchenko 75'35,750
Fourth round replay3 February 2010Leeds UnitedA1–3Defoe 37', 73', 90'37,704
Fifth round14 February 2010Bolton WanderersA1–1Defoe 61'13,596
Fifth round replay24 February 2010Bolton WanderersH4–0Pavlyuchenko 23', 87', Jääskeläinen 35' (o.g.), O'Brien 47' (o.g.)31,436
Sixth round6 March 2010FulhamA0–024,533
Sixth round replay24 March 2010FulhamH3–1Bentley 47', Pavlyuchenko 60', Guðjohnsen 66'35,432
Semi-final11 April 2010PortsmouthN0–2LOSER84,602
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KingstonSpur said:
Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
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Nobody. I don't think a single person on here is saying we should have played differently in the final, or that the performance in the final diminishes the win. This is just the interpretation people are coming up with based on some weird sensitivity to any post which isn't "WOO WE WON".

The whole reason people bring up the performance & the fact United are terrible is simply to say we shouldn't be looking at winning the game as a reason to keep on Ange, because it isn't.
 
dudu said:
Try again

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Third round2 January 2010Peterborough UnitedH4–0Kranjčar 35', 57', Defoe 70', Keane 90+5' (pen)35,862
Fourth round23 January 2010Leeds UnitedH2–2Crouch 42', Pavlyuchenko 75'35,750
Fourth round replay3 February 2010Leeds UnitedA1–3Defoe 37', 73', 90'37,704
Fifth round14 February 2010Bolton WanderersA1–1Defoe 61'13,596
Fifth round replay24 February 2010Bolton WanderersH4–0Pavlyuchenko 23', 87', Jääskeläinen 35' (o.g.), O'Brien 47' (o.g.)31,436
Sixth round6 March 2010FulhamA0–024,533
Sixth round replay24 March 2010FulhamH3–1Bentley 47', Pavlyuchenko 60', Guðjohnsen 66'35,432
Semi-final11 April 2010PortsmouthN0–2LOSER84,602

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No, I said "got through a whole cup run" - I didn't say anything about going out in earlier rounds, which happens to most managers.

Try again? I dunno what you're trying to do here other than maybe settle scores unrelated to football.
 
KingstonSpur said:
I've been critical of him, but he got the tactics just right in the final – just like he did away at Frankfurt.

We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.

Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.

If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.

You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.

Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
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Also if Solanke puts away the chance created by Udogie's break away run we go 2-0 up and it's game over and a deadset stress free Mourinho masterclass of a final.

The manager was nothing short of spectacular across the end of the European campaign and anyone who tries to deny it is fucking deluded. We were a shit team, playing a shit system with no creativity and no world class players and he turfed it all aside to win fucking ugly and they did it. It' was brilliant.

Do I want to watch that football going ahead? Not particularly. But I appreciate what was done and what it achieved for us and no fucking quibbling and whatabouting.
 
KingstonSpur said:
I've been critical of him, but he got the tactics just right in the final – just like he did away at Frankfurt.

We had no creative players, so we deliberately tried to make it a war of attrition. We kept making niggly little fouls all game to stop United building any sort of momentum and to wind up a few of their players (Fernandes, Maguire). This played totally into our hands. I also think the video by Adam Clery showed that the goal was a typical goal for United to concede because dragged their defenders out of position with movement in and around the box. It looked like something we worked on in training.

Bringing on Danso at just the right time was a good sub. Amorim, on the other hand, got his subs completely wrong. Garnacho with only 20 mins – bad. Mainoo on 90 mins – stupid.

If we had conceded first, we were toast.
If they had equalised, we were toast.

You can definitely beat Ange with the 22 defeats stick (that simply isn't good enough), but I don't think you can say anything critical about the Europa League win. In fact, if we were judging him along on those performances, we wouldn't even be having the debate about his job right now. He actually showed flexibility, resilience, grit, gamesmanship etc in those games – all the stuff that we didn't see in the league.

Also, we won the final, so who gives a fuck?
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We won the Europa, so the tactics were perfect. Had we lost they weren't. It always stands or falls on that,which is inherently flawed.

We did not control the match against United or Frankfurt. Personnel had an impact but I actually think it forced Postecoglou's hand.

Postecoglou does not deserve another game in charge and there is nothing of fabric to anyone's argument about winning the Europa. Nothing.

22 games being beaten should not need any Spurs fan to cry over the guy's departure. Too much sentiment on show.
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
They had great players like Enzo Scifo and Morten Olson, it really isnt like now where every good player is playing for the same 7 or 8 teams in Europe. They were fucking miles better than this current Utd team.
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The point is there are ways to discredit or credit both wins depending on agenda.

You could point at some of those united players and make very solid cases for their pedigree.

It just baffles me why there are supposed Spurs fans playing down the recent win. Leave that to fans of other clubs.
 
SameOldSpurs said:
Out of curiosity, is anyone able to tell me our xg, shots on goals, touches in box, progressive dribbles or field tilt etc from the 84 final?

Winning on pens sounds more of a blag than within 90 mins but we never talk about the 84 win like that, against an absolute European minow.
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Anderlect absolute minnow in 1984.
What the fuck are you on, well it’s obvious you have no fucking clue about football history.

They were the defending champions of the trophy, European cup semi finalists the year before, and won 5 European trophies in the 8 years prior to final, arguable the second best team in Europe at the time and clear favourites for the tie.
 
Kaz Hirai said:
I'm just amused how spurs fans love to diminish us winning our 1st European trophy since before i was born
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If it wasn’t for the Ange in/out debate I don’t think that would be a thing at all.

Unfortunately there are some fans who constantly trot out ‘He’s won our first European trophy in 41 years’ as the only argument to retaining Ange, completely ignoring the dreadful league form or the context surrounding the favourable Europa League run.

The fact that so many Ange in fans are so stubbornly ignoring any other aspect is the prime reason behind it, otherwise it would just be the preserve of the gooner wind up merchants IMHO.
 
LLB Part Deux said:
No, I said "got through a whole cup run" - I didn't say anything about going out in earlier rounds, which happens to most managers.

Try again? I dunno what you're trying to do here other than maybe settle scores unrelated to football.
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Both Poch and Harry had bad cup exits, but then they also were actually going full throttle in the league week to week and not throwing everything at one of the cups. That's what happens when you're not dedicating all your energy to that one competition.

We went out to Fulham early in Ange's first season in a cup, because we were focused on the league.

Ange's cup run in the Europa had so much to do with it becoming our everything. People need to understand this. It wasn't genius coaching or a winning mentality. The CL also became our everything in that final season under Poch, we just weren't lucky enough to play a really shite side in the final. Cup football is a terrible way to judge managers.
 
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