We’ll limp on until the summer unless the wheels truly come off.
Frank will only be retained IMHO if we see a very different second half to the season with a clear improvement in results and style.
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Frank will only be retained IMHO if we see a very different second half to the season with a clear improvement in results and style.
Nonsense really though isn't it. Previous manager spent over £400m in 1.5 seasons, and was backed to get rid of Lloris, Hojbjerg, Perisic, and Dier - basically the entire leadership team. Had super-wages on Werner and for a lot of the time just left him on the sidelines, and then was kept in the job until the end of the season when he'd have been sacked a long time prior at any other club (as did happen after).
This idea of Frank being "the most backed manager" is an absurd notion
I think we have to come to terms with the fact that he's here until summer at least...
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New manager for the start of next season then.
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New manager for the start of next season then.
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"The painful truth is so much more than a change of manager is needed at Spurs. Let's hope we see it"
"The painful truth is so much more than a change of manager is needed at Spurs. Let's hope we see it"
Fees mean nothing
First 11 ready, high wage, peak age players
Frank is on the receiving end of a clear change in policy at the club.
Vicario, Maddison, Solanke and Danso were 26, which is older than Gallagher. No one's telling me there aren't high wages there.
Werner was a 27 year old on mega wages so not a cheap loan.
Pretty sure that Simons. Muani, Gallagher and Romero will be on much bigger wages than any of them
The closest we had was a season of Kane, Son and Perisic
According to capology, our wage bill has gone down by 11 million, so even if you say we replaced Son with Simons, there's a black hole there. Not sure why you've counting a small bump for Romero like renewing his contract means frank is being "backed"???
These are the capology numbers from last season
Maddison: £170k (signed for AP)
Vicario: £75k (signed for AP)
Solanke: £140k (signed for AP)
Danso: £25k (signed for AP)
Werner: £165k (loaned for AP)
Romero: £165k
Son: £190k
And this season
Romero: £195k
Simons: £195k (signed for TF)
Muani: £150k (loaned for TF)
Kudus: £150k (signed for TF)
No idea what Conor Gallagher will earn, but I'm not seeing a huge difference there. Maddison and Solanke wages are negligible difference to Simons and Kudus, and Muani is a cheaper loan than Werner
Fair play to you. You're determined to die on the hill of "...but the previous manager...".
When the argument being made is a comparative one, how else is it analysed?
"He's been back more than anyone before!"
"The last manager was backed just as much if not more"
"OMFG WHY DO YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE PAST"
See - it's idiotic
Yeah previous manager also had to deal with the sale of world class ,record goalscorer, club captain and all round legend Harry Kane....... For just 80 mill, and he wasn't even allowed to bring in a replacement striker until the following summer and the best the club could afford was Dom Solanke
The club had let down every manager we've had. Why single out Ange, ask Conte how much he was backed,Jose the same.
That 400 mill is typical Tottenham spending on transfer fees for average players on average wages. It's what this club do.
Firstly, because Jose and Conte both had next to no funds because of Covid after effects.
Secondly, because up until recently people haven't stopped complaining that no manager is ever backed.
Current manager "also had to deal with the sale of world class ,4th highest record goalscorer, club captain and all round legend Heung Min Son"
It's very weird for people to all of a sudden claim that 2 new signings and one on loan, without replacing Son, is suddenly the metric for "being backed" - especially when people are simultaneously claiming this is a preemptive Poch signing.
Pointless making nuanced arguments with him. He's a genuine, committed fan, but is completely wedded to his one eyed view.
Why do you have to be so patronising?
People tell I'm condescending... that means I talk down to them.
Romero: £195k
Simons: £195k (signed for TF)
Muani: £150k (loaned for TF)
Kudus: £150k (signed for TF)
Palinha: £135k (loaned for TF)
Gallagher: £180k (signed for TF) approx
I had expected Palinha and Muani to be on 200k tbh. Those wages for Bayern and PSG seem misreported. Or maybe sign on. fees made up the rest of their wage offers.
still, in 2 windows vs 3 for Ange, and Ange had way more come off the wage bill than Frank. Kane, Lloris, Perisic, Hojberg all came off the wage bill. Frank is still getting different treatment than anyone since Poch. SImons is the first players since Ndombele signed on wages that high when they arrived.
Honestly though - go stalk people in the appropriate thread or scroll past if you can't even bear the slightest concept that we had a manager before our current one that was sacked for being a bit shit.
There have been people in there policing opinion and calling each other abusive words because he's like a protected species, and now here you are - in Thomas Frank's thread - acting like a child because I am pointing out that the current manager is not the most backed manager we have ever had.
As I say, click ignore, don't look in here, whatever - you're just as culpable as some of the others for sniping at the mere reference of "previous manager" like it's a banned phrase ffs.
Kane was sold at his peak to Bayern Munich, Son was sold way past his peak to somewhere in LA
I said that no manager is truly backed, including Frank.
Conte wanted Bastoni, he was given Lenglet on loan. That had nothing to do with COVID after effects.
But it's ok, you carry on believing Ange was backed and every other manager has an excuse for not being backed
It's been 6.5 years since Pochettino left. The Bank of England puts £100 in 2019 worth £130 in todays money, so if that works in football then Ndombele's £200k suddenly turns into a £260k wage, which we're no where near now. Why do you count Romero's new contract going up to £195k though? He's not a new signing and, apples-to-apples, Son signed a new contract a year ago up to the same wage and that isn't registering in the critique.
It's incredibly strange to see one side of the fan base already cunting off the Gallagher signing as if he's a clogger that won't add anything, and another side suggesting it's an opulent signing - the scale of which is unmatched. Thomas Frank seems like the new Levy - if you don't like him, that's fine. If you have something factual to support that, even more so - but I find it incredibly strange if you have to manufacturer and stretch definitions to get to that point.