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Player Archie Gray
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Gray is still young but RDZ has already benched him and if i remember correctly only subbed him on once for about 10 minutes in the last 5 games.
Going forward, if we make the right signings, he will be a bench player and with no europe he may struggle for game time. He's still young so hopefully RDZ can work with him and improve his game.
Going forward, if we make the right signings, he will be a bench player and with no europe he may struggle for game time. He's still young so hopefully RDZ can work with him and improve his game.
On top of all the other business we need to do this summer?
Or we could keep them, play them and develop them, rather than spending umpteen millions blocking their pathways.
Yeh let's do that and finish 15th, can't wait.
Let’s sign Palinha and finish 17th. Can’t wait
But we already need to buy a keeper, no.6, striker, at least one winger, replace JP if he doesn't stay and probably a versatile 10 too.
That's 6 players on top of the 2 we've already got (including Senesi there).
You think we'll add another 2 or 3 cm's on top of that?
Next season, Bergvall and Gray are another year older and with more experience, so to give them games and subs in a functioning, organised, possession based team won't be that dramatic.
It's not like we'll be solely reliant on them together for each and every game but there will still be enough minutes for them to play.
I know you live in your own universe and everything but are you actually saying that Archie Gray is CURRENTLY a better player than Palhinha? You're not honestly saying this are you?
We should be bringing in 2 new central midfielders (I mean you yourself wanted 3). If we got the three midfielders YOU wanted, in what world does Gray play??
Yeh cool story bro.
Let's see the reality of what De Zerbi will do. I'm of the opinion that he will bring in a couple of midfielders.
Archie Grays overall stats were as follows (compared to other similar midfielders)Waffle
Objectively, Gray is young and has plenty to learn. He needs to be more assertive and more consistent.
And you still dig out those stats as if he didn’t massively improve in the later stages of the season after Frank left and you flat out refused to accept that when he came into the team to break up the Palinha and Bentancur partnership, the team instantly looked better. You also flat out refuse to accept that he’s scored goals and assisted goals that won points that we would have been relegated without. You also refuse to accept that he’s covered pretty much every position and put in high level performances against some of the best teams we’ve played
And then you have the nerve to talk about objectivitygo sign Scotty Canham for your dream midfield
20 percentile in touches
17 percentile in chances created
17 percentile in shot attempts
37 percentile in defensive contributions
36 percentile in aerial duals
It's hilarious because you literally called Palhinha and Bentancur shit earlier in the season(despite both having far better stats btw) and made no mention of part of the reason being Thomas Frank yet you defended Grays earlier horrendous stats (of being in the 1 and 2 percentile of many of the stats) by saying it was Thomas Franks fault.
How deliciously hypocritical.
Off the ball, there aren’t many better than Palinha. I hope Gray picked up a lot from him
On the ball even you have to admit Gray is technically a complete different world?
I’d priority sign a passing midfielder. If Scott can be done I’d do that as well. Gray would still play plenty and eventually win his spot like he did last season. It’s better for young players to have to fight established pros to get their minutes.
Context matters. They are senior pros who should have been driving the team to play better. Gray was having bad stats from being used in bits and pieces, in different positions. Once he got a run in midfield, he clearly made the team better and then his stats will have started improving. Stats aren’t the main thing here though. The eye test was clearly better for small sample size data like this.
I think this is the problem with not only Gray, but several of our younger players like Tel, Odobert and Bergwall...
They've been heavily over relied upon to do a "grown man's" job because either the grown men can't, or have been injured!
People banging on about Max Dowman at the Arse fail to realise he's being brought in here and there, usually when the game is won, or the opposition isn't causing too much bother (or the PGMOL are letting them get away with murder!)
Our younger players are being thrown into a bear pit, and being expected to fend for themselves with little or no protection from those around them!
Gray, Tel, Bergwall, Simons, Odobert, Sarr even should have had a couple of games each here and there last season, not most of the season thrust into the first team together...
No wonder they've been struggling for form and/or suffered long term injuries!
They've been heavily over relied upon to do a "grown man's" job because either the grown men can't, or have been injured!
People banging on about Max Dowman at the Arse fail to realise he's being brought in here and there, usually when the game is won, or the opposition isn't causing too much bother (or the PGMOL are letting them get away with murder!)
Our younger players are being thrown into a bear pit, and being expected to fend for themselves with little or no protection from those around them!
Gray, Tel, Bergwall, Simons, Odobert, Sarr even should have had a couple of games each here and there last season, not most of the season thrust into the first team together...
No wonder they've been struggling for form and/or suffered long term injuries!
Right ok ....
So why did you continuously call two of our players shit throughout the first half of the season when context mattered?? Or context matters sometimes?
I'm no body language expert but seeing RDZ and Gray cwtching after the Everton game gives me the sense they're on the same page.
I'd wager Archie stays and plays loads this season.
I'd wager Archie stays and plays loads this season.
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Good job your spelling is top notch though…
Fair play. I'm blaming autocorrect!
Because they were playing shit and needed them not to be playing shit.
Good job your spelling is top notch though…
Fair play. I'm blaming autocorrect!
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I thought you absolutely nailed the right word TBH!
Yeh you're not ok are you?
My point is you crucified other players weekly and never ever gave them the luxury of putting the blame on Thomas Frank or his negative tactics. You persisted in labelling them shit without once mentioning anything about our tactics but as soon as Gray was criticised for poor stats and performance you immediately stated it's down to Franks tactics.
Keep the same energy for everyone.