Neither had Pochettino when we appointed him.
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That is under Jose who doesn't have a system that supports his players or make them better.
Bringing in a quality manager like Nagelsmann who will implement a system that not only makes the team better, but individual players better will help that. He also will bring in tactics that work in today's game not from 10 years ago.
He has shown already that he does not need 500 million in transfers, he can adapt to use the players he has and get results.
Pochettino is considered a failure along TFC’s intelligentsia
System goes to shit when player errors cost us goals and points.
Poch was expected to get the best out of the players we had when he first came he couldn't do it
Mourinho , same deal, he can't do it it.
He might not need £500 million but he does need a realistic amount, it's not going to be raised by selling winks, Sissoko etc because no one wants those players.
Deoends on how judge success, doesn't it. But at the time we appointed him, he was pretty much a slightly older version of nagelsman.
What?
Poch got us top 4 and to a CL final, that seems like getting the best out of players.
Jose could have a billion and it wouldn't make a difference because his tactics and philosophy don't work, he needs his players to overcome his tactics to have success.
Bringing in a manager that improves players, not limits them, will have a massive upgrade on the team.
Then got sacked the next season, that was as good as it gets, you will realise that soon.
You think poch was making top 4 after 14 points from 12 games? Hahahahah
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I am fine with us being consistently in the top 4 and making runs in the CL. That is a lot better than what we have seen under Jose.
I am really not sure what your point is here. It just seems like you want to complain about Spurs and rant about us never being good, am I missing something else?
I think it was entirely possible.
He had got top 4 the previous 4 seasons, were only 3 points off 5th and with a worse manager in Jose had multiple games where if we won we would have been in the top 4.
We ended up 7 point off of United with some terrible Jose performances in there. I see no reason why with a better manager like Poch we wouldn't improve on a lot of those awful results.
And it was more entirely possible that we'd end up in a relegation fight. He was sacked at the right time and the season was saved enough that we ended up in the EL at least.
Yes you can.
And you should if you think that going forward the team will be worse off than if you keep him. Sacking him doesn't take away those trophies. We should not be making decisions based on what happened in the past but what you think is likely to happen in the future.
If we win two trophies solely due to luck and the draw that should not make us ignore how awful we have been in the PL and in overall play under Jose. It is highly unlikely we get the same luck and draws going forward so are you interested in watching the same football with the same terrible PL results without getting handed sweetheart draws that lead to Cups?
There is no reason to think we would have come close to a relegation fight. We were closer to 5th than 18th at the time and as mentioned under Poch the worst we had ever finished was 5th, in his first year.
To try and say that relegation was a possibility based off 12 games in which we weren't even close to the relegation spots is ridiculous.
How do these tactics from 10 years ago relate to how we played yesterday?
What would Nags or the ABM done differently?
I am not sure, probably not a whole lot different from them.
But are we now ignoring a year and a half, plus 20+ years before that, of Jose because of one game yesterday?
We got 14 points of 12 games, thats relegation battle form. Probably would have survived the drop but Poch was devoid of any ideas of how to change it around. Quite rightly got sacked.
I have already stated that I am fine with Poch being fired, I think there were issues between him and the club that likely were not getting fixed.
But to try and claim that the worst 12 games under Poch, a run that had them closer to 5th than 18th, would have led to a relegation fight is stupid. There is zero basis for it.
Again this has very little to do with what I said that two other managers Poch and Harry got us top 4 multiple times and the 3rd, AVB that most hate, got us 5th. There is no reason to think that we can't finish top 4 again going forward. Feel free to disagree with that but 12 games of Poch to start a season does nothing to change that.
I told you the consistent top 4 days are over and they aren't coming back no matter what manager we get in because of our owners, that's the point.