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Transfer Adama Traore

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ILSpur said:
That's the hard thing, for me, with Traore. One part of me has seen enough to know that there is really no end product, but then there is the angle of just having him being able to terrorize a back line and create space and opportunities for the rest of the offense. An attacking Traore suddenly diverts a lot of attention away from the likes of Son and Kane. Add an in-form Lucas running around and it could cause all sorts of problems for a defense.
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For me a Striker, a replacement for Ndombele and a right back are more important.

However I will say like peak Zaha or Hazard he does tactically change the game. He is like a winger version of Mousa Dembele, ultra press resistant, it means you can hold the ball up near the opposition and it also means the opposition will find it hard to press you with him in behind. I know I have already said it but he is a territory player, he keeps the game at the other end, that is his biggest asset.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:


This what people are gushing over?

Get Aaron Lennon back and put him on a diet of protein shakes and deadlifts. I’d actually tear my hair out at the amount of opportunities he wasted.
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1v1 he's excellent this can't be denied and I think most can see this but what baffles me is do people stop watching the game when he goes past the first defender? Have they popped out of the room to take a shit? He literally creates NOTHING in that clip, we defend absolutely everything. Only one successful cross he makes, which we defend, only one shot on target (the 1v1 one he has with Lloris) which we save.

In the entire game yesterday they created ONE serious chance all game, the 1v1 with Lloris and Lloris saves it.

He looks great 1v1, he's a totally unique footballer (I can't think of another player like him) but he's not the difference, he might get you up the pitch (which would be good for us as we lack a midfielder to carry the ball from deep now Ndombele wants out and therefore not selected) but he does absolutely fuck all once he beats his man, so what is the point?

The big danger is having him in the side means we just end up giving the ball to him, he goes up the pitch, everyone claps and gets giddy as he destroys the first man, they pop off to the toilet take a shit, he doesn't do anything, we don't score. People come back from taking a shit all excited if a little confused why the score is still 0-0.
 
Nikesh said:
his cut backs yesterday found no one. Who exactly wont play if he does. with bergwyn we have someone with no end product, we can't afford to carry another one. This is not a priority signing or a position we need to sign someone in. Definitely need someone closer to what we had to eriksen who can get us out of the defence and link the attack without always needing to carry the ball long distances.
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I remember one cut back that led to Jiminez almost putting one in the top corner. Might have been cut-back, then an extra pass to Jiminez. But the whole action was created by Traore being able to get to the by-line so easily.

Who won't play if he does? Bergwijn or Lucas I'd think. Assuming Kane stays, the front 3 changes from Bergwijn-Son-Lucas to Son-Kane-Traore.
 
Tomo said:
For me a Striker, a replacement for Ndombele and a right back are more important.

However I will say like peak Zaha or Hazard he does tactically change the game. He is like a winger version of Mousa Dembele, ultra press resistant, it means you can hold the ball up near the opposition and it also means the opposition will find it hard to press you with him in behind. I know I have already said it but he is a territory player, he keeps the game at the other end, that is his biggest asset.
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Agreed, and that is the other puzzling aspect to it. He just doesn't fit the profile of a player we actually need right now.

Maybe it's just a matter of there not being an attainable striker, creative mid, or RB of the quality we need. If those aren't easy enough to get, he could be a disrupter that plays into our other strengths.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:


This what people are gushing over?

Get Aaron Lennon back and put him on a diet of protein shakes and deadlifts. I’d actually tear my hair out at the amount of opportunities he wasted.
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Lol oh my lord he absolutely destroys Reguilon in one of those, I missed that yesterday. And Reguilon is quick.

One thing that really jumps out watching a compilation of his touches like that: he has three defensive players primarily paying attention to him every time he’s on the ball.
 
Guido said:
1v1 he's excellent this can't be denied and I think most can see this but what baffles me is do people stop watching the game when he goes past the first defender? Have they popped out of the room to take a shit? He literally creates NOTHING in that clip, we defend absolutely everything. Only one successful cross he makes, which we defend, only one shot on target (the 1v1 one he has with Lloris) which we save.

In the entire game yesterday they created ONE serious chance all game, the 1v1 with Lloris and Lloris saves it.

He looks great 1v1, he's a totally unique footballer (I can't think of another player like him) but he's not the difference, he might get you up the pitch (which would be good for us as we lack a midfielder to carry the ball from deep now Ndombele wants out and therefore not selected) but he does absolutely fuck all once he beats his man, so what is the point?

The big danger is having him in the side means we just end up giving the ball to him, he goes up the pitch, everyone claps and gets giddy as he destroys the first man, they pop off to the toilet take a shit, he doesn't do anything, we don't score. People come back from taking a shit all excited if a little confused why the score is still 0-0.
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He will at least occupy one defender on every attack without the ball probably more with the ball, suit our counter attack

I’m not against as I’d rather have on my team than facing him. His end product needs addressing but it’s not as bad as it appears if he had more clinical finishers at the end of the balls he does manage to get to the attacker. None better than Son and (dare I say) Kane. Moura and Dele wouldn’t suffer with
 
ILSpur said:
Agreed, and that is the other puzzling aspect to it. He just doesn't fit the profile of a player we actually need right now.

Maybe it's just a matter of there not being an attainable striker, creative mid, or RB of the quality we need. If those aren't easy enough to get, he could be a disrupter that plays into our other strengths.
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One thing we are weak on is hold up play. Bergwijn is ok sort of, Son and Lucas are terrible at it. When under pressure other than Kane and to a limited degree Bergwijn we have little outlet. Adama is insane at this type of thing.
 
Mariner said:
He will at least occupy one defender on every attack without the ball probably more with the ball, suit our counter attack

I’m not against as I’d rather have on my team than facing him. His end product needs addressing but it’s not as bad as it appears if he had more clinical finishers at the end of the balls he does manage to get to the attacker. None better than Son and (dare I say) Kane. Moura and Dele wouldn’t suffer with
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But this is what Son does and far better!

If the intention is to have him play in the Kangeroo Cup whilst we rest Son, then yeah, great.
 
TeamSpirit™ said:
26 with nearly 300 pro games under his belt and I’m hearing about “if he can sort his end product “
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Agree. The final third is really where natural talent shines. You either have it there or you don't. Players (some) can develop the requisite physicality for a given league, but they either have the ability to see and make the pass or finish with a goal or they don't. Its why we stuck with Kane so long....you could see he had the end product, he just needed to figure out how to actually play in the PL.
 
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