An Historic Day

[pipes]

Hey, I'm not the one crying, baby. I'm happy as a pig in shit.
Look at me

Posting polls and threads is fun. You should try it.


Seriously though, I've never known a poster, bitch, cry and gripe and complain about other peoples opinions and comments as much as you.

Other guys I fundamentally disagree with like sammyspurs at least have a sense of humour and show respect.

Try and lighten up a bit mate and just enjoy the forum for what it is.

:dierpochhug:

I’d rather not post too much to be honest. If I did think anyone gave that much of a shite about my opinion, I might, but I certainly wouldn’t just regurgitate the same garbage over and over again like you do.

Any time I act out, it’s in reaction to you pushing the same old crap again. Give it a rest.

 

[sammyspurs]

Other guys I fundamentally disagree with like sammyspurs @sammyspurs at least have a sense of humour and show respect.

 

[shempz]

I still have nightmares about when I saw it was Zokora that was put clean through on goal to try to win us the game. Not one person inside Wembley that day actually though he'd score...

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

The club need to make money....

Finishing 4th is more financially rewarding than winning the League Cup, and about the same (give or take) than winning the FA Cup...

Unless we're planning on winning the LEAGUE any time soon...

It's not the fault of the club... it's the way prize money (and 'importance') is placed on certain competitions....

The domestic Cups are for the Fans...

CL Qualification is for the Boardroom and the bank account!!

The harsh reality of it is that without money you can only stay at the top for only so long. If we want longevity in our potential success, we need to think about the money to give us that platform. If not and people want to see us priotising domestic cup success over long term spells punching at the top then they should also accept that would come with plenty of years where we can't compete with the other big 5-6 in and around us.

The Champions League accounts for about 1/3rd of our revenue. Without it we are closer to breaking even than we are recording world record profits. In fact we'd probably be looking at around £10m-£20m as the bottom line to have and do what we please with. It's just the nature of the beast mate.

 

[John Thomas]

You know what scares me (and the bad luck argument can be justified to a degree) it's fine saying ah but City 2008.... However what's to stop the next sports washing juggernaut coming along to unseat Levy's new post stadium plan. Let's say a team in black and white stripes. Levy and ENIC have stood at an open door on at least two occasions and did not push. That's not how you become successful in life at anything, yes diligence and planning matter, but sometimes you have to gamble. Whatever happens from here I don't believe Levy is the man to take us the next step, he lacks the vision and guts. In many ways the appointment of a known quantity in Mourinho is him reverting to type. The Pochettino hire was a rare bit of visionary thinking on his part.

Post of the Thread right here

 

[John Thomas]

What a cunt of a thread.

Only the second thread I have ever put on ignore.

Embarrassing.

SpiderSpurs are you taking me up on my £100 charity bet that Mourinho wont match or better Poch's miracle of taking an ENIC team to a CL final?

You pissed over my claims that Poch worked a miracle, and went on to claim that Jose will achieve more with Spurs than the magic man

You keep running away. I took you up on your bet offer,
Are you backing your big mouth or you backing down?

 

[Doom Funk]

People talking about us prioritising top 4 over a cup when we have made an absolute pigs ear of trying to get top 4 this year with the decisions we have made

 

[hiatus]

No idea.

But they need to buy some players this Summer. For the first time, I think it will give us a very clear indication of where ENIC’s priorities lie.

If they stump up for a couple of cheap, young ‘potential’ players then they’re simply polishing an asset.

I agree, but the club also spent about £135m last summer and another £30m in January. If we spend another £100m, which I think is needed for a DM (£30-40m) RB (£25-30m) and a striker (£20-30m), I think that is very encouraging. There will be some outgoings as well but I don't think it will be much more than £30-40m unless we sell someone like Kane (doubtful) or Dele (possible).

 

[YTpaxton]

I still have nightmares about when I saw it was Zokora that was put clean through on goal to try to win us the game. Not one person inside Wembley that day actually though he'd score...

Bloody hell, I’d completely forgotten about that Zokoro miss. Pretty much all I recall now is Woody scoring and then going mental and getting hammered around Wembley afterwards.

 

[John Thomas]

Early lead for option A, with option D hot on the heels

 

[John Thomas]

Nope.
I didn't vote at all.

Why not add a few more options, such as;

"Levy is a tight bald cunt"

or

"I'm desperate to convince people that I'm right, so I'll keep on starting these threads 'till you all agree with me, and then I'll stop"

Thinking about it the last one might be a winner.

If you haven't voted, thats fine.

But in all seriousness, surely you'll acknowledge that just 1 League cup in 20 years is pretty shocking? It's unprecedented in the clubs history ffs.

So, what do you put it down to? Seriously. I'll add it to the options for you

:dierpochhug:

 

[Pzabbythethird]

I'll take a CL final and regular CL appearances, plus going deep in multiple cups year after year over winning a Carling cup or two any day of the week.

 

[harry7]

There is only 1 clear answer.

The club has been planning for and building the new stadium. The priority for Redknapp, AVB, Poch was to raise the level of the club such that we are champions league regulars. FA cup and Milk cup were not the priority.

We succeeded; in part due to the collapse of Woolwich and United.

And just as Spurs reach a period of rebuild (as every club does) - Liverpool have risen from the Ashes, United are improving (and will get better when Poch joins in summer) and Chelsea/Woolwich are building very strong squads. Add to that the improvement in other teams around us - Leicester, Wolves.

Mourinho has been brought in to secure top 4 at all costs. With our injury list; I cannot imagine FA Cup will be used to risk injury to players needed for the run in.

 

[Fattynomates]

I was in the Falklands for this so didn’t even get to watch the bloody game as it wasn’t in BFBS!

 

[John Thomas]

I’d rather not post too much to be honest. If I did think anyone gave that much of a shite about my opinion, I might, but I certainly wouldn’t just regurgitate the same garbage over and over again like you do.

Any time I act out, it’s in reaction to you pushing the same old crap again. Give it a rest.

Use the ignore button.
Then you can enjoy the forum without me spoiling it for you.

 

[pipes]

Use the ignore button.
Then you can enjoy the forum without me spoiling it for you.

As I said in the ignore list thread, I like to keep the stupid ones around. So no. You continue to post your agenda driven bullshit and I’ll continue to call you out on it.

It’s a shame because I enjoy the way you write. It’s just the content that’s insufferable. I really do hope you are a troll as I’d actually be upset for you if you turn out to just be an idiot.

 

[Spursidol]

Modern day success is only sustainable with money though. If people can stomach it or not that's a different thing completely.

Outright Winning Carabao Cup = £100k

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Outright Winning the FA Cup = £3.6m

Emirates FA Cup prize fund

The Emirates FA Cup prize fund listed round-by-round for season 2019-20

www.thefa.com

Winning a group game in the Champions League = €2.7m

Winning a knockout game in the Champions League = €10.5m (£8.8m)

Winners of 2019/20 Champions League could receive over 80 million euros in prize money

The winners of next season's Champions League could receive more than 80 million euros in prize money.Teams will be financially rewarded for...

www.marca.com

When it comes tomattracting players, the money is vital to doing so, its the nature of the beast. As fans we all want silverware but the guys who have shares in the ownership of the club and want money in order to invest further? All I'll say is winning 1 knockout round in the Champions League gets the coffers a staggering EIGHT THOUSAND, EIGHT HUNDRED PERCENT MORE than winning the Carabao Cup.

Money helps buy top players, we have protised having the money so that we can grow as a club. It's not glamorous or beautiful but it helps to get us big enough to have beautiful moments Jerry. It's growth and if growth continues 4th becomes 2nd, finalists become winners but of course it's not a natural trajectory always, there's always obstacles like emerging rivals, players wanting to leave, injuries a lack of form, not getting the right players in, morale etc. How we do it is the epitome of the saying it's not a sprint it's a marathon but sadly it's the right way to go about it even if I do believe we should have taken a few more risks here and there matey.

Just to add to that.

The players want/demand and are paid by all clubs very large sums of money. First team players at Spurs (eg Ndombele) are reputed to be on £200k pw (£10m pa) or more whilst even young players can be on significant sums - Tanganga's new contract is rumoured to be worth £15k pa (£750k). So the average player contract probably edging towards £80k pw (£4m pa) either now or next season after this summer's transfer activity. And that will continue to grow as Spurs close the gap between our wage structure and the other top clubs in PL.

All that should immediately demonstrate that the players might like silverware, but will only stay if Spurs are regularly successful in PL and CL (eg top 4 and out of the CL group stages - winning either would be very nice and welcomed by players and fans alike - but not essential) as its that level which pays the wages they would like to be accustomed to.

 

[1882]

12 years ago today, folks, 24 February 2008, Tottenham Hotspur won their last trophy.
A solitary Carling Cup.

In the previous 8 years with Levy at the wheel we won.........Sweet fuck-all

Surely this proves that either our owners don't give a damn about winning stuff, or, if they do, they're making a complete pigs arse of the job.

Such a momentus occassion surely deserves a poll.

For all the cult members, I'll include a third option too.

And a 4th.

You say "solitary Carling Cup"
....but just HOW many Cups were we expected to win in ONE day?

I'd say winning a 'solitary Cup' in one day constitutes a good days' work!!!




But yes, I see your point!

 

[AlabamaSpur]

The club need to make money....

Finishing 4th is more financially rewarding than winning the League Cup, and about the same (give or take) than winning the FA Cup...

Unless we're planning on winning the LEAGUE any time soon...

It's not the fault of the club... it's the way prize money (and 'importance') is placed on certain competitions....

The domestic Cups are for the Fans...

CL Qualification is for the Boardroom and the bank account!!

Fans don't like it but this is the truth.

 

[Park Lane Mark Twain]

You know what scares me (and the bad luck argument can be justified to a degree) it's fine saying ah but City 2008.... However what's to stop the next sports washing juggernaut coming along to unseat Levy's new post stadium plan. Let's say a team in black and white stripes. Levy and ENIC have stood at an open door on at least two occasions and did not push. That's not how you become successful in life at anything, yes diligence and planning matter, but sometimes you have to gamble. Whatever happens from here I don't believe Levy is the man to take us the next step, he lacks the vision and guts. In many ways the appointment of a known quantity in Mourinho is him reverting to type. The Pochettino hire was a rare bit of visionary thinking on his part.

Sometimes it's not just about having vision and guts though, sometimes it's deeper than that.

We have just agreed a new loan repayment with the banks that spreads out pay back date from a couple of years time through to another 25-30 years. How can we be sure that the conditions of this new agreement doesn't have finer details involved such as money/ cash in the bank or X amount of profits always being reached to act as safeguards for the repayment? The deal we got was far better than the one Woolwich, a team with far better finances at the time of building their stadium so without knowing how our deal was struck, how can we be sure that it's merely vision and guts that prevents us taking such steps and risks to move forward?

Banks will look for, and rightly so certain assurances based on activity before brokering deals. Is it therefore a lack of guts and vision or are we simply hamstrung based on circumstances we had to adhere to in order to take the club to the next steps we all strive to see us take and get to?