That weirdly makes him sound desirable.
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
Another thread and poll about ENIC by a self entitled idiot. Great.
Try as you might to push the agenda there’s a Levy cult, there isn’t I’m afraid.
What there is is a group of fans that realise that we have decent owners. They aren’t the best but are nowhere near the worst. This group also understands that we aren’t entitled to win and even if we are in a fallow period of time, there are more issues than ENIC not buying Moutinho or Berahino.
What there also is is a much smaller group that believe Levy is Satan and is to blame for everything that is wrong in their lives. It’s not Levys fault you were born and dropped on your head. Crying about this over numerous threads isn’t going to change anything John. Sooner you accept this and get behind the club, the happier you will be.
Try as you might to push the agenda there’s a Levy cult, there isn’t I’m afraid.
What there is is a group of fans that realise that we have decent owners. They aren’t the best but are nowhere near the worst. This group also understands that we aren’t entitled to win and even if we are in a fallow period of time, there are more issues than ENIC not buying Moutinho or Berahino.
What there also is is a much smaller group that believe Levy is Satan and is to blame for everything that is wrong in their lives. It’s not Levys fault you were born and dropped on your head. Crying about this over numerous threads isn’t going to change anything John. Sooner you accept this and get behind the club, the happier you will be.
Johns last post in the Ndombele thread was 22nd October
John has made three posts in the Lo Celso thread. Last one was Aug 8th
John has not made a single post in the Tanganga thread
John made one post in the Bergwijn thread on Jan 26 (3 days before he signed)
John made 4 posts in the Gedson thread, last one Jan 15, the day he signed.
John has made zero posts on the Sessegnon thread
Anyone get the impression that John doesn’t like talking about new players, because if he says they are good, it compromises his agenda that Levy doesn’t invest in the team?
John has made three posts in the Lo Celso thread. Last one was Aug 8th
John has not made a single post in the Tanganga thread
John made one post in the Bergwijn thread on Jan 26 (3 days before he signed)
John made 4 posts in the Gedson thread, last one Jan 15, the day he signed.
John has made zero posts on the Sessegnon thread
Anyone get the impression that John doesn’t like talking about new players, because if he says they are good, it compromises his agenda that Levy doesn’t invest in the team?
Last edited:
Modern day success is only sustainable with money though. If people can stomach it or not that's a different thing completely.
Outright Winning Carabao Cup = £100k
TOTALSPORTEK - Reddit SOCCER STREAMS
TOTALSPORTEK , Reddit Soccer Streams , Soccer Streams Reddit, TOTALSPORTEK SOCCER , Soccer Streams TOTALSPORTEK is a website where you can find all soccer streams Live for free.
www.sportekz.com
Outright Winning the FA Cup = £3.6m
Emirates FA Cup prize fund
The Emirates FA Cup prize fund listed round-by-round for season 2019-20
www.thefa.com
Winning a group game in the Champions League = €2.7m
Winning a knockout game in the Champions League = €10.5m (£8.8m)
Winners of 2019/20 Champions League could receive over 80 million euros in prize money
The winners of next season's Champions League could receive more than 80 million euros in prize money.Teams will be financially rewarded for...
When it comes tomattracting players, the money is vital to doing so, its the nature of the beast. As fans we all want silverware but the guys who have shares in the ownership of the club and want money in order to invest further? All I'll say is winning 1 knockout round in the Champions League gets the coffers a staggering EIGHT THOUSAND, EIGHT HUNDRED PERCENT MORE than winning the Carabao Cup.
Money helps buy top players, we have protised having the money so that we can grow as a club. It's not glamorous or beautiful but it helps to get us big enough to have beautiful moments Jerry. It's growth and if growth continues 4th becomes 2nd, finalists become winners but of course it's not a natural trajectory always, there's always obstacles like emerging rivals, players wanting to leave, injuries a lack of form, not getting the right players in, morale etc. How we do it is the epitome of the saying it's not a sprint it's a marathon but sadly it's the right way to go about it even if I do believe we should have taken a few more risks here and there matey.
And as it seems I'm having a conversation with myself, I think I'll duck off too
I’ll just leave these posts here and let JT work out how he can agree with me that the domestic failings were down to Poch, but it’s ENICs fault
30% putting it down to pure bad luck
A little bit of all of them I’d say:
They don’t prioritise winning things over financial safety....
The would love to win things but the foundations must be laid first.....
Some managers have been shite, and some have bottled the big occasion....
Unlucky for sure, certainly at the wrong time we have been, a hot firing Kane going into the CL final over what we did get for example.....
The foundations have all but been laid, we have a manager who won’t bottle the big occasion and we are certainly due a run of luck with injuries......Total domination awaits #COYS
They don’t prioritise winning things over financial safety....
The would love to win things but the foundations must be laid first.....
Some managers have been shite, and some have bottled the big occasion....
Unlucky for sure, certainly at the wrong time we have been, a hot firing Kane going into the CL final over what we did get for example.....
The foundations have all but been laid, we have a manager who won’t bottle the big occasion and we are certainly due a run of luck with injuries......Total domination awaits #COYS
Someone has to feed the penguins
Just a shame that since 2008 you got Man City becoming a force - it added another obstacle for us to get over when it comes to winning a trophy.
We absolutely should have won a trophy since, especially looking at teams that have won trophies since and the squads weve had.
But I find it hard to blame owners for not being able to beat Portsmouth in a semi final, losing in numerous semi finals over and over again. I can understand blaming them for not investing to see us compete in multiple competitions with depth but in one off games in Cup games is simply down to management and players involved.
What a fucking day though.
We absolutely should have won a trophy since, especially looking at teams that have won trophies since and the squads weve had.
But I find it hard to blame owners for not being able to beat Portsmouth in a semi final, losing in numerous semi finals over and over again. I can understand blaming them for not investing to see us compete in multiple competitions with depth but in one off games in Cup games is simply down to management and players involved.
What a fucking day though.
12 years ago today, folks, 24 February 2008, Tottenham Hotspur won their last trophy.
A solitary Carling Cup.
In the previous 8 years with Levy at the wheel we won.........Sweet fuck-all
Surely this proves that either our owners don't give a damn about winning stuff, or, if they do, they're making a complete pigs arse of the job.
Such a momentus occassion surely deserves a poll.
For all the cult members, I'll include a third option too.
And a 4th.
A solitary Carling Cup.
In the previous 8 years with Levy at the wheel we won.........Sweet fuck-all
Surely this proves that either our owners don't give a damn about winning stuff, or, if they do, they're making a complete pigs arse of the job.
Such a momentus occassion surely deserves a poll.
For all the cult members, I'll include a third option too.
And a 4th.
Option C yet to get off the mark, which means
sammyspurs
must have gone to bed
sammyspurs
must have gone to bedWell it isn't "unprecedented in the club's history" we won nothing from 1921 to 1951. 30 years unless you include the 2nd division championship, in which case 29 years.
Seriously though, I think it is a combination of things, such as, but not limited to;
Lack of investment due to the stadium being built (understandable but 2018 was wrong. I've said previously that if we don't invest from now on I'll be in the Levy out camp)
Poor management (not Poch IMO)
Other teams spending power (see the teams that have won trophies on a regular basis)
Squad not good enough in depth (linked to below)
Prioritising CL position (That is probably on Levy, but CL =more money to spend)
A tiny bit of bad luck, but not really worth mentioning (even though I just did
)Mentality ( I don't know if that's down to the players or the management at the time)
Poor game management in big games (see above)
That's just of the top of my head and are open to dispute.
:dierpochhug:
ENIC obviously don’t prioritie winning stuff. They’re an investment company, so they invest in tangible assets like the training ground, housing, a huge supermarket, and the stadium. In that respect they have been incredible, and should be applauded. They’ve transformed Spurs into a global brand with facilities second to none. They absolutely nailed the stadium, and ultimately that will be Levy’s legacy in the club history.
We’ve also gone from being a cup team to one of the major contenders in the league. Paradoxically our least successful period in terms of trophies has also been our most successful in terms of league positions. Very few clubs ever make it to the CL final too.
The bottom line is that ENIC have presided over our least successful period in our history. Better managerial decisions/luck might have seen us have another 3 to 4 cups, which isn’t really on ENIC, but frankly if they’re charging the highest ticket prices in the country they should be backing the club more in the market.
At the end of the day it’s in ENIC’s interest for us to be successful, because they want sold out home games and fans spending lots of money. If we continue to fill the stadium when we’re shite, that’s on the fans.
We’ve also gone from being a cup team to one of the major contenders in the league. Paradoxically our least successful period in terms of trophies has also been our most successful in terms of league positions. Very few clubs ever make it to the CL final too.
The bottom line is that ENIC have presided over our least successful period in our history. Better managerial decisions/luck might have seen us have another 3 to 4 cups, which isn’t really on ENIC, but frankly if they’re charging the highest ticket prices in the country they should be backing the club more in the market.
At the end of the day it’s in ENIC’s interest for us to be successful, because they want sold out home games and fans spending lots of money. If we continue to fill the stadium when we’re shite, that’s on the fans.
You know what scares me (and the bad luck argument can be justified to a degree) it's fine saying ah but City 2008.... However what's to stop the next sports washing juggernaut coming along to unseat Levy's new post stadium plan. Let's say a team in black and white stripes. Levy and ENIC have stood at an open door on at least two occasions and did not push. That's not how you become successful in life at anything, yes diligence and planning matter, but sometimes you have to gamble. Whatever happens from here I don't believe Levy is the man to take us the next step, he lacks the vision and guts. In many ways the appointment of a known quantity in Mourinho is him reverting to type. The Pochettino hire was a rare bit of visionary thinking on his part.
I get fans want trophies, but it’s not as if most clubs win trophies. Only a small number of clubs actually win trophies, and with some notable exceptions, it’s only the the big-spending clubs that win anything.
Only 6 teams have won the league cup since 2008:
ManU, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Chelsea and Man City.
Only 5 teams have won the FA Cup since 2008: Chelsea, Man City, Woolwich, Wigan and ManU.
4 teams have won the Premier League since 2008: Chelsea, ManU, City and Leicester. (5 if you count Liverpool this year)
That’s only 9 different clubs that have won a trophy in the last 12 years.
Would Wigan, Swansea and Birmingham fans give up the trophy they won in recent years to play in a CL final, or even qualify for the CL? I’m guessing they would. Spurs have come a long way since 2008 and will eventually start winning trophies but to focus on the current trophy drought as a marker of success is shortsighted, IMO.
Only 6 teams have won the league cup since 2008:
ManU, Birmingham, Liverpool, Swansea, Chelsea and Man City.
Only 5 teams have won the FA Cup since 2008: Chelsea, Man City, Woolwich, Wigan and ManU.
4 teams have won the Premier League since 2008: Chelsea, ManU, City and Leicester. (5 if you count Liverpool this year)
That’s only 9 different clubs that have won a trophy in the last 12 years.
Would Wigan, Swansea and Birmingham fans give up the trophy they won in recent years to play in a CL final, or even qualify for the CL? I’m guessing they would. Spurs have come a long way since 2008 and will eventually start winning trophies but to focus on the current trophy drought as a marker of success is shortsighted, IMO.
Last edited:
What a cunt of a thread.
Only the second thread I have ever put on ignore.
Embarrassing.
Only the second thread I have ever put on ignore.
Embarrassing.
Stadium didn’t open one year ago yet and how everyone has forgotten its main purpose is pretty shocking really.
Also quite funny the number of people who still think new owners could come in and act like Roman did 17 years ago.
Good luck with that.
Also quite funny the number of people who still think new owners could come in and act like Roman did 17 years ago.
Good luck with that.