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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
So put a figure on it? What’s acceptable? 5 wins? 2 points a game. Top of the league? What would you consider a reasonable start to the season? Do we say 15 points is the unders and overs line for where you think it’ll be? 4 wins and 3 draws from his first 10 given he and his one dimensional approach has been found out?

I guess I figured you cared about what he’d done elsewhere because you use it to be negative and dismissive when it suits so assumed, incorrectly it seems, it would work both ways.
Nothing he's done anywhere else can be used to predict what he'll do at Spurs. Everywhere else he's been has been considerably inferior in every way.
If you can't see that then there's something wrong with you.

It's literally no different to signing a prolific goal scorer. From the Dutch 3rd division. And saying it only took him 3 games to score his first goal and then he scored 33 more. It doesn't matter. It's different. It's harder in the PL.

You want me to put a number on it? Well now we have our first 10 games.
Leicester - win
Everton - win
Newcastle draw/lose
Arse - Win/draw
Brentford - Win
United - Win
Brighton - Win
Spam - Win
Palace - Win
Villa - Win/Draw

I'm not saying 1 or 2 losses here is definitive. However we lost 6 of our last 10. Some of which were fucking well unacceptable losses. 4 nil down, 3 nil down, 4 nil down. Dreadful.
If the opening 10 games shows any signs of that shit again, he's toast. You can have him back and hopefully we never hear from either of you again.
 
With the team we have Ange should consider moving to a 343 or 352 due to our lack of outside wingers and 3 world class CBs. Drag comes in a RCB, porro would be more effective as an outside Wing back with his crossing. Sonny plays as a Second striker or inside forward, likewise Kulu.
 
With the team we have Ange should consider moving to a 343 or 352 due to our lack of outside wingers and 3 world class CBs. Drag comes in a RCB, porro would be more effective as an outside Wing back with his crossing. Sonny plays as a Second striker or inside forward, likewise Kulu.

I think its a bit premature to call Dragusin world class.

Also, why would Ange change his system almost entirely after all these years of his success with it? He changes his approach fairly regularly, its not just the same template every matchday, but he doesnt go too far away from his staple.

I think you have to look at Porro and say that he is technically good enough to be what Ange needs in this system. He has shown progression there, though not the complete player quite yet, he certainly has the ability to be more consistently effective.

Its also been 1 full season of this structure and system. It's still too early to do radical changes. This isn't Football Manager or FIFA. You cant just drop it and change. Where would the buy in be from the players who are enjoying it, from all accounts. Ange believes in it, and I believe in it because of exactly that point.

You got to let it progress on the training pitch and on match day. Get the players in that fit and let it run.
 

Working on Ange Postecoglou’s staff: ‘Presence, fear factor, the best hairdryer in the world’​

Jordan Campbell
Anton McElhone was in the first day of a job he had dreamed about for 20 years. Then Ange Postecoglou brought him back to reality.

“We were in a meeting and I was excited to tell him what I was thinking and doing, but I didn’t read the room and started talking over him,” says McElhone, who was head of sports science during Postecoglou’s two years at Celtic.

“He laid down the law: ‘Don’t speak over me. I’ll let you know if I have a question’.”

McElhone, who spent a decade at Spurs as a fitness coach between 2007 and 2017 — and has worked as a coach at Greenock Morton, Bradford City and New England Revolution — was used to a demand for high standards having worked with Juande Ramos, Harry Redknapp, Andre Villas-Boas and Mauricio Pochettino.

“But Ange was another level,” he says. “He is a man mountain of a guy who has got presence, fear factor; the best hairdryer in the world.

“I quickly realised that in meetings you had to get to the point, he had no time for fluff. (It was:) ‘Just give me the facts and I’ll make the decision’.

“I’ve never worked with a manager who is such a force of nature. He can will things into life. It was an unbelievable two-year experience about leadership and managing people.”

Anton McElhone

McElhone after arriving at Celtic in September 2021 (Craig Foy/SNS Group via Getty Images)
Postecoglou led Spurs to a fifth-place finish in the club’s first season post-Harry Kane, and McElhone believes that if he is given the same freedom to shape the club in his image this summer, they will progress the same way his previous clubs have in the second year.

It was a fragile time for Celtic and Postecoglou when McElhone joined in September 2021.

Just two months into the Australian’s first season, doubt was already growing over whether Postecoglou was the man to rebuild a club still in mutiny following their failed attempt at a historic 10 consecutive championships.

Fourteen players left that summer and 12 arrived but they were eliminated in Champions League qualifying and suffered three losses in the opening six league games, including a 1-0 defeat against Livingston two days before McElhone started work.

Despite the setbacks, there was not a hint of doubt or compromise when it came to implementing ideas novel to many in Scottish football.

“I thought things would maybe be a little bit sticky when I went in, but the style was like a religion,” McElhone tells The Athletic. “Every day, the message was the same: ‘This is what I believe, this is my way, it doesn’t matter about the noise, we will get there’.

“We started scoring late winners and it was because the mental attitude of ‘We never stop’ was so ingrained in the players that they became relentless.”



McElhone endured a tough start in his initial few months at Celtic as he dealt with a horrendous injury list, which was the first test of his relationship with Postecoglou.

“He was understanding and said it was part of the process when he goes into a club. The players are not used to training at that level but after year one, he expects for that to be cleared up.

“We had to make sure the data was right and they were training hard enough to match the standards Ange wanted. We brought in a new nutritionist and a rehab coach, we changed the GPS company and introduced interventions like group pre-training that then became individualised based on previous injuries.

“Ange backed everything if it was objective, measured and going to make the team better.”

Come December, Postecoglou had arrived at his first final in the League Cupagainst Hibernian. There were six injury doubts but none more pivotal than Japanese striker Kyogo Furuhashi.

“His hamstring injury should have kept him out for weeks but Ange asked the medical staff if there was any possibility we could get him ready. My reference was that we had done something similar at Spurs with Harry Kane to play Real Madrid a few years before, so I did the rehab for seven or eight days.

“We got him back and it was worth it because he scored two goals (in a 2-1 win) and we got that first medal, which was the game changer.

“Ange allowed the culture of the Japanese players to come into the dressing room. They would always slowly jog around the pitch for 20 minutes after a match and people were scared they were doing too much as it was another 3km, but he said, ‘That’s what they do there, don’t change it’.”

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Postecoglou during a 4-0 home loss to Bayer Leverkusen in the Europa League in September 2021 (Neil Hanna/AFP via Getty Images)
After winning the title in his first season, Postecoglou had his first experience of the Champions League group stage, with the first and last games against Real Madrid.

The results did not reflect it but Celtic performed well in both and missed several big chances before being brutally beaten 3-0 in Glasgow and 5-1 at the Bernabeu.

“I’ve never seen faith, trust, belief in a method like it. Everyone was thinking we did quite well but after the game in Madrid he was like, ‘No, I don’t care who we’re playing, next year we want to be better than that’.

“You can’t put a limit on what you can achieve in life. That was his outlook. He didn’t care it was a Scottish team. For me, that was when you saw the mentality and the determination to play our football regardless of the levels. I doubted it, thinking you can’t play like that in the Bernabeu, but people gained belief that we could after games like that.”

The team talks stayed with McElhone. “He is a great orator and storyteller who knows how to work the room. The speeches before the cup finals are the best I’ve ever heard.

“He inspired the players — not by telling them what to do, but by touching on where they come from and why they are doing it. He would find something in their story to elevate them and would often say that no one believed they would be here at a certain point in their career.

“There was one about a shoe salesman and another in the last cup final was about the threads on the jersey. If I could have written them down, I would have.”


Now head of academy coaching at Queen’s Park in Scotland, McElhone witnessed Pochettino transform Spurs’ culture in a similar way when he arrived in 2014.

“Both are ruthless, analytical and don’t suffer fools gladly, but there is a different energy to them,” McElhone says. “Ange is obsessed with winning. Mauricio is a bit more holistic and would use facts and figures to prove his point — especially at half-time, with live video to show what had gone wrong.

“But to get to Mauricio, you had to go through his staff. If you were disappointed or something was wrong, you would see his assistant Jesus Perez. If it was bad, you would see Jesus and the manager.

“I’ve never worked with anyone else who managed on his own like Ange. He sat at the top of the pyramid and managed his assistants and the heads of departments. He then allowed them to lead and because he gave people autonomy they responded to that.

“I learned that you don’t have to be at the coal face doing everything. You can delegate, set the tone, values and vision, allow them to work and then guide everyone towards it.”

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Postecoglou delivering instructions while at Melbourne Victory in 2012 (Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)
The same applied to the tactical sessions on the training pitch.

“Ange doesn’t take 90 per cent of the training. He steps back so he can see everything and several times, he said to me, ‘That player doesn’t look right’. He takes the tactical stuff and the meetings pre- and post-match, which is he incredible at and brings everything together.

“The themes are there every day with Ange — inverted full-backs, wingers high and wide, breaking lines — but he allows the players to thrive in it, without telling them you must stand here, you must stand there. Whereas Mauricio was very specific to get to his model.

“Players hate when they are restricted. The style is so invigorating that it takes away excuses for players as he takes the responsibility for allowing them to try things in his style.

“He’ll be ruthless this summer and go and get even better players to play his way.”

Postecoglou is trying to create the same culture at Spurs but he clashed with his own fans in the penultimate game of the season against Manchester City. Some of the home crowd wanted Spurs to lose so that they did not hand the title to their north London rivals Woolwich — a part of fan rivalry Postecoglou railed against.

He later admitted he had misjudged the mood but will that difference in mentality be a frustration for him?

“Yes, because he will believe he can win the Premier League. He will believe it until everyone else does. At Celtic’s end-of-season team review, I mentioned we used to do this and that at Spurs. It was just as a reference but he told me to stop. It was all about us in the moment, he didn’t want outside comparisons.

“I’m just forever grateful to him for bringing me to the club and giving me all the freedom to work I could ever have wanted.”
 
Ange the politician could probably win a 70% landslide majority of voters. He has everything you’d want from a mentality perspective. Let’s hope the football matches it.
 
Nothing he's done anywhere else can be used to predict what he'll do at Spurs. Everywhere else he's been has been considerably inferior in every way.
If you can't see that then there's something wrong with you.

It's literally no different to signing a prolific goal scorer. From the Dutch 3rd division. And saying it only took him 3 games to score his first goal and then he scored 33 more. It doesn't matter. It's different. It's harder in the PL.

You want me to put a number on it? Well now we have our first 10 games.
Leicester - win
Everton - win
Newcastle draw/lose
Arse - Win/draw
Brentford - Win
United - Win
Brighton - Win
Spam - Win
Palace - Win
Villa - Win/Draw

I'm not saying 1 or 2 losses here is definitive. However we lost 6 of our last 10. Some of which were fucking well unacceptable losses. 4 nil down, 3 nil down, 4 nil down. Dreadful.
If the opening 10 games shows any signs of that shit again, he's toast. You can have him back and hopefully we never hear from either of you again.
haha you're an angry little man if someone dares question your opinion aren't you?

You're right he does still have to prove himself in this league as well just as he's had to do every time he's stepped up into another league, just like every other successful manager who's come in has had to do before him. While I agree the leagues he's operated in as a whole have been inferior, your apparent complete dismissal of every player, coach and manager in those leagues with your "in every way" comment is pretty short sighted, but not unexpected I guess. Thankfully that wasn't the approach of the people that hired managers like Wenger and Fergie from them!
Your goal scorer analogy is a weird one becuase it seems you're saying it's fine to criticise the goal scorer from a lower div as not being good enough for you because he's from that league but then if he happens to bang them in for fun then you weren't wrong either. Yeah, okay.

So, you're thinking somewhere between 9 wins and a draw from the first 10 to an absolute worst case of 7 wins, 2 losses and a draw from them as the benchmark to be acceptable. Fair enough, be interesting to see where you land and obviously I agree that 4 wins, a draw and 5 losses isn't an acceptable return at all but expect you'll start the season far stronger than given he'll have the opportunity to turn over some players and the youngsters and new players last season have that bit more experience in the Prem under their belts.

Good luck for the season regardless, hope Ange really pisses some of you guys off by being more successful than you expect he will be! :)
 
Nothing he's done anywhere else can be used to predict what he'll do at Spurs. Everywhere else he's been has been considerably inferior in every way.
If you can't see that then there's something wrong with you.

It's literally no different to signing a prolific goal scorer. From the Dutch 3rd division. And saying it only took him 3 games to score his first goal and then he scored 33 more. It doesn't matter. It's different. It's harder in the PL.

You want me to put a number on it? Well now we have our first 10 games.
Leicester - win
Everton - win
Newcastle draw/lose
Arse - Win/draw
Brentford - Win
United - Win
Brighton - Win
Spam - Win
Palace - Win
Villa - Win/Draw

I'm not saying 1 or 2 losses here is definitive. However we lost 6 of our last 10. Some of which were fucking well unacceptable losses. 4 nil down, 3 nil down, 4 nil down. Dreadful.
If the opening 10 games shows any signs of that shit again, he's toast. You can have him back and hopefully we never hear from either of you again.
Fully agree.

Ange has gassed himself so much, he has no choice but to deliver.
 
haha you're an angry little man if someone dares question your opinion aren't you?

You're right he does still have to prove himself in this league as well just as he's had to do every time he's stepped up into another league, just like every other successful manager who's come in has had to do before him. While I agree the leagues he's operated in as a whole have been inferior, your apparent complete dismissal of every player, coach and manager in those leagues with your "in every way" comment is pretty short sighted, but not unexpected I guess. Thankfully that wasn't the approach of the people that hired managers like Wenger and Fergie from them!
Your goal scorer analogy is a weird one becuase it seems you're saying it's fine to criticise the goal scorer from a lower div as not being good enough for you because he's from that league but then if he happens to bang them in for fun then you weren't wrong either. Yeah, okay.

So, you're thinking somewhere between 9 wins and a draw from the first 10 to an absolute worst case of 7 wins, 2 losses and a draw from them as the benchmark to be acceptable. Fair enough, be interesting to see where you land and obviously I agree that 4 wins, a draw and 5 losses isn't an acceptable return at all but expect you'll start the season far stronger than given he'll have the opportunity to turn over some players and the youngsters and new players last season have that bit more experience in the Prem under their belts.

Good luck for the season regardless, hope Ange really pisses some of you guys off by being more successful than you expect he will be! :)
That's not what I said. I gave win/loss draw expectations and threw in leeway for extra losses because I'm not unreasonable.
Lose 6 out of 10 again and he (and you) can fuck off.
 

Working on Ange Postecoglou’s staff: ‘Presence, fear factor, the best hairdryer in the world’​

Jordan Campbell
Anton McElhone was in the first day of a job he had dreamed about for 20 years. Then Ange Postecoglou brought him back to reality.

“We were in a meeting and I was excited to tell him what I was thinking and doing, but I didn’t read the room and started talking over him,” says McElhone, who was head of sports science during Postecoglou’s two years at Celtic.

“He laid down the law: ‘Don’t speak over me. I’ll let you know if I have a question’.”

McElhone, who spent a decade at Spurs as a fitness coach between 2007 and 2017 — and has worked as a coach at Greenock Morton, Bradford City and New England Revolution — was used to a demand for high standards having worked with Juande Ramos, Harry Redknapp, Andre Villas-Boas and Mauricio Pochettino.

“But Ange was another level,” he says. “He is a man mountain of a guy who has got presence, fear factor; the best hairdryer in the world.

“I quickly realised that in meetings you had to get to the point, he had no time for fluff. (It was:) ‘Just give me the facts and I’ll make the decision’.

“I’ve never worked with a manager who is such a force of nature. He can will things into life. It was an unbelievable two-year experience about leadership and managing people.”

Anton McElhone

McElhone after arriving at Celtic in September 2021 (Craig Foy/SNS Group via Getty Images)
Postecoglou led Spurs to a fifth-place finish in the club’s first season post-Harry Kane, and McElhone believes that if he is given the same freedom to shape the club in his image this summer, they will progress the same way his previous clubs have in the second year.

It was a fragile time for Celtic and Postecoglou when McElhone joined in September 2021.

Just two months into the Australian’s first season, doubt was already growing over whether Postecoglou was the man to rebuild a club still in mutiny following their failed attempt at a historic 10 consecutive championships.

Fourteen players left that summer and 12 arrived but they were eliminated in Champions League qualifying and suffered three losses in the opening six league games, including a 1-0 defeat against Livingston two days before McElhone started work.

Despite the setbacks, there was not a hint of doubt or compromise when it came to implementing ideas novel to many in Scottish football.

“I thought things would maybe be a little bit sticky when I went in, but the style was like a religion,” McElhone tells The Athletic. “Every day, the message was the same: ‘This is what I believe, this is my way, it doesn’t matter about the noise, we will get there’.

“We started scoring late winners and it was because the mental attitude of ‘We never stop’ was so ingrained in the players that they became relentless.”



McElhone endured a tough start in his initial few months at Celtic as he dealt with a horrendous injury list, which was the first test of his relationship with Postecoglou.

“He was understanding and said it was part of the process when he goes into a club. The players are not used to training at that level but after year one, he expects for that to be cleared up.

“We had to make sure the data was right and they were training hard enough to match the standards Ange wanted. We brought in a new nutritionist and a rehab coach, we changed the GPS company and introduced interventions like group pre-training that then became individualised based on previous injuries.

“Ange backed everything if it was objective, measured and going to make the team better.”

Come December, Postecoglou had arrived at his first final in the League Cupagainst Hibernian. There were six injury doubts but none more pivotal than Japanese striker Kyogo Furuhashi.

“His hamstring injury should have kept him out for weeks but Ange asked the medical staff if there was any possibility we could get him ready. My reference was that we had done something similar at Spurs with Harry Kane to play Real Madrid a few years before, so I did the rehab for seven or eight days.

“We got him back and it was worth it because he scored two goals (in a 2-1 win) and we got that first medal, which was the game changer.

“Ange allowed the culture of the Japanese players to come into the dressing room. They would always slowly jog around the pitch for 20 minutes after a match and people were scared they were doing too much as it was another 3km, but he said, ‘That’s what they do there, don’t change it’.”

GettyImages-1235609526-scaled.jpg

Postecoglou during a 4-0 home loss to Bayer Leverkusen in the Europa League in September 2021 (Neil Hanna/AFP via Getty Images)
After winning the title in his first season, Postecoglou had his first experience of the Champions League group stage, with the first and last games against Real Madrid.

The results did not reflect it but Celtic performed well in both and missed several big chances before being brutally beaten 3-0 in Glasgow and 5-1 at the Bernabeu.

“I’ve never seen faith, trust, belief in a method like it. Everyone was thinking we did quite well but after the game in Madrid he was like, ‘No, I don’t care who we’re playing, next year we want to be better than that’.

“You can’t put a limit on what you can achieve in life. That was his outlook. He didn’t care it was a Scottish team. For me, that was when you saw the mentality and the determination to play our football regardless of the levels. I doubted it, thinking you can’t play like that in the Bernabeu, but people gained belief that we could after games like that.”

The team talks stayed with McElhone. “He is a great orator and storyteller who knows how to work the room. The speeches before the cup finals are the best I’ve ever heard.

“He inspired the players — not by telling them what to do, but by touching on where they come from and why they are doing it. He would find something in their story to elevate them and would often say that no one believed they would be here at a certain point in their career.

“There was one about a shoe salesman and another in the last cup final was about the threads on the jersey. If I could have written them down, I would have.”


Now head of academy coaching at Queen’s Park in Scotland, McElhone witnessed Pochettino transform Spurs’ culture in a similar way when he arrived in 2014.

“Both are ruthless, analytical and don’t suffer fools gladly, but there is a different energy to them,” McElhone says. “Ange is obsessed with winning. Mauricio is a bit more holistic and would use facts and figures to prove his point — especially at half-time, with live video to show what had gone wrong.

“But to get to Mauricio, you had to go through his staff. If you were disappointed or something was wrong, you would see his assistant Jesus Perez. If it was bad, you would see Jesus and the manager.

“I’ve never worked with anyone else who managed on his own like Ange. He sat at the top of the pyramid and managed his assistants and the heads of departments. He then allowed them to lead and because he gave people autonomy they responded to that.

“I learned that you don’t have to be at the coal face doing everything. You can delegate, set the tone, values and vision, allow them to work and then guide everyone towards it.”

GettyImages-154379597-scaled.jpg

Postecoglou delivering instructions while at Melbourne Victory in 2012 (Quinn Rooney/Getty Images)
The same applied to the tactical sessions on the training pitch.

“Ange doesn’t take 90 per cent of the training. He steps back so he can see everything and several times, he said to me, ‘That player doesn’t look right’. He takes the tactical stuff and the meetings pre- and post-match, which is he incredible at and brings everything together.

“The themes are there every day with Ange — inverted full-backs, wingers high and wide, breaking lines — but he allows the players to thrive in it, without telling them you must stand here, you must stand there. Whereas Mauricio was very specific to get to his model.

“Players hate when they are restricted. The style is so invigorating that it takes away excuses for players as he takes the responsibility for allowing them to try things in his style.

“He’ll be ruthless this summer and go and get even better players to play his way.”

Postecoglou is trying to create the same culture at Spurs but he clashed with his own fans in the penultimate game of the season against Manchester City. Some of the home crowd wanted Spurs to lose so that they did not hand the title to their north London rivals Woolwicha part of fan rivalry Postecoglou railed against.

He later admitted he had misjudged the mood but will that difference in mentality be a frustration for him?

“Yes, because he will believe he can win the Premier League. He will believe it until everyone else does. At Celtic’s end-of-season team review, I mentioned we used to do this and that at Spurs. It was just as a reference but he told me to stop. It was all about us in the moment, he didn’t want outside comparisons.

“I’m just forever grateful to him for bringing me to the club and giving me all the freedom to work I could ever have wanted.”

Love how Ange has a small attention span. Probably fits in well with our players in that respect!
 
That's not what I said. I gave win/loss draw expectations and threw in leeway for extra losses because I'm not unreasonable.
Lose 6 out of 10 again and he (and you) can fuck off.
Pretty sure if you add the best of what you suggested and the worst of what you suggested it adds up to what I (you) said as the two options but you don’t seem big on facts, just talking tough on the internet.

Good luck to you.
 
With the team we have Ange should consider moving to a 343 or 352 due to our lack of outside wingers and 3 world class CBs. Drag comes in a RCB, porro would be more effective as an outside Wing back with his crossing. Sonny plays as a Second striker or inside forward, likewise Kulu.
Dragusin has a good game against Ukraine and suddenly he's "world class". Jesus wept.
 
Pretty sure if you add the best of what you suggested and the worst of what you suggested it adds up to what I (you) said as the two options but you don’t seem big on facts, just talking tough on the internet.

Good luck to you.

I thought he Sonny fans who refuse to call him out when he's shit were annoying, but the Ange fans are worse.

The good thing is, it won't last long.
 
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