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Management Ange Postecoglou

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The Dazzler99 said:
Let’s be honest. How many bigger jobs are out there than the Tottenham job, maybe 5 clubs in England (city, pool, Woolwich, Chelsea and united) Bayern, the two Spanish giants, juventus maybe, and for money and city PSG.
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I make it about 17 jobs bigger than the Spurs job.

City, Liverpool, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Barca, Athletico, Real, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Lazio, PSG, Bayern, Dotrmund, RedBull L

Also worth considering Ajax, Porto, Savilla, Benfica and maybe Newcastle.

Most of those clubs are also more attractive for players, with guarenteed Champs League football year after year.
 
FightingIllini said:
I've definitely been saying it since they made five subs permanent (which for the record I didn't and don't support, it enables fixture congestion, advantages richer teams, and in general makes the game more cardiovascular and less creative)


You're just not going to have the domination over games in the PL that you can in SPL or elsewhere.

And the relationship between tactics and muscular taxation management is the kind of thing I don't think our sports science folks have a very keen grasp on at all, to the extent anyone does. This kind of thing is at the cutting edge currently.

In all honesty I don't claim to know exactly. It just seems obvious to me that the optimum substitution strategy in today's football with 5 available is more and earlier in some form or fashion than it was with three subs playing much less cardio-demanding tactics 20 years ago, and yet the substitution patterns remain basically the same.

Send players out knowing they'll only play 45 minutes so they can do so at higher intensity? Hockey-esque "line changes", I mean there could be lots of wrinkles to it.

I really am surprised there isn't more experimentation happening on this basis.
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Fully agree on the last point and we were definitely expecting more like that from Ange. I think he’s been deterred a bit by all the extra time that gets played at the end of games due to non-stop time-wasting in this league.

Per your first point, I think we have seen domination over games in the PL when teams have admitted that they couldn’t do anything to keep the ball. We definitely can’t do it right now with the injuries but with a relatively fresh squad, there’s probably 3 - 4 teams in the PL where we weren’t expecting 60%+ possession and huge territory advantages.
 
Harry Vaginola said:
tell me what they're doing in training that's so normal and safe. nobody knows. you ange dead enders continue to amaze me with your cognitive dissonance. enic is inept and yet they hired the perfect manager who's only a complete failure because of the people who hired him as opposed to the inept management hired and inept manager.
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Tell me what they are doing in training that isn’t normal and safe. You are the one making the claims here, not me.
 
enfield1985 said:
Please just make more and more excuses for Ange. What is the excuse for losing 4-0 to Newcastle last season or 3-0 to Fulham. What is the excuse for losing 2-1 at home to Luton or throwing away a 2-0 half time lead to Brighton last season.

There are red flags all over Ange’s record at Spurs. Personally I do not care what he did at Celtic or Marinos. What I care about is we are 15th in the league 8 points above relegation and have more losses than wins and draws combined. We constantly give away stupid goals from defensive mistakes even with Cuti and Micky fit. Under Ange we constantly setting new firsts that no team wants. The opposition has scored the first goal at home more times in a calendar year than any other team in the Premier League.

The fact that people can wipe away everything saying it is because of the injuries then don’t consider that his style of play may aggravate the injury process.

Then the biggest flag I have seen about Ange is the simple fact he has allowed himself to be surrounded by second rate coaching staff. Even that could be forgiven if he looked to strengthen the coaching staff instead of weakening it by bringing in the Aussie and his assistant.

Ange then ignores the small margins in the game which can win you games. Our throw ins and set pieces look uncoached and also the fact we don’t make the right foils in transition.

It is simple the Spurs Job is too big for him and nothing he has done/ will do, is going to make it any better.
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Not what we are talking about here.
 
Richard Arlison said:

View: https://x.com/stoppassingback/status/1881759399389348174?s=46&t=fbqxNuG9CT4qTaiJx8mBjg


In the words of Shadydan Shadydan Ali Gold cooked here.

If you’ve allowed yourself to buy into the idea that Ange’s training is at fault for injuries, have a word with yourself. You’ve just got carried away with an internet narrative,

Sameway, our defenders don’t actually do any more sprints than the next team so it isn’t the system causing injuries either.

Ange has some part to play in it, and he’s the manager so ultimately it’s his responsibility but if you really think he’s to blame and it’s not because the squad has been left short, you really need to give your head a wobble.
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Doesn't suit the narrative though
 
vibes_guy said:
It's a matter of scalability.

Even with the injuries sustained last season we still managed to finish 5th despite a shaky 2nd half of the season, because we played 1 game a week.

Shift to 3 games a week and the wheels fall off.

Ange's failure to find solutions coupled with a lack of squad depth able to compete on all fronts has resulted in this dumpster fire of a season.

Ange will take the Executioners Axe, but this is a collective failure that in my opinion won't be solved by JUST changing the manager.
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Agree.

And tbh, whether or not the club realizes at the end of the year that they went into this half baked and need you change direction, the most likely person to rescue anything from this season in the meantime, is IMO Ange because he has more experience in his system and the challenges unique to it.
 
Bazali said:
I can’t imagine Ange as a ‘Fluffer’ somehow!!

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You can now lol

Nails Blow GIF by Hollyoaks
 
theyearoftheone said:
Was it you who said this a long time ago? I have wondered about it a lot since reading on here and It does make a lot of sense for the forward players to press intensley for 60 odd mins and then sub them off for fresh legs. I remember when Celtic fans were on here they said Ange rarely plays the front 3 for the whole game and would sub them off early so it's a bit weird we have seen him take so long to make changes here. I suppose when the option is Werner it makes sense 😄
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Conte used to do it with his wingbacks didn’t he? They were regularly subbed off second half as he realised they were knackered after 65/70 minutes.
 
Dudski said:
His interview style got him a lot of positive feedback at first, but ironically it's now probably the source of a lot of the negativity toward him. I think sometimes foreign managers have an advantage because they can get away with saying less. Postecoglou is going to launch into long discussion of himself and his philosophy and I think it's just worn thin over time.
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I agree. You’ve even got journalists now who are saying that he doesn’t need to provide headline quotes every single press conference as it is only putting pressure on him. Yet it seems that’s what he continues today. When journalists are saying that, I think it was Dan Kilpatrick, Then you know it’s probably correct as they live off those.
 
harry7 said:
I make it about 17 jobs bigger than the Spurs job.

City, Liverpool, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Barca, Athletico, Real, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Lazio, PSG, Bayern, Dotrmund, RedBull L

Also worth considering Ajax, Porto, Savilla, Benfica and maybe Newcastle.

Most of those clubs are also more attractive for players, with guarenteed Champs League football year after year.
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We used to be above those jobs in 2010s. Amongst the 2nd tier of Atletico Dortmund etc...
 
harry7 said:
I make it about 17 jobs bigger than the Spurs job.

City, Liverpool, Woolwich, Chelsea, United, Barca, Athletico, Real, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, Napoli, Lazio, PSG, Bayern, Dotrmund, RedBull L

Also worth considering Ajax, Porto, Savilla, Benfica and maybe Newcastle.

Most of those clubs are also more attractive for players, with guarenteed Champs League football year after year.
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Hmmm

Napoli, Lazio, Dortmund, Redbull I'd say no, wouldn't even say AC Milan these days either.

The worth considering definitely not.
 
spursfan76 said:
The children are people like you who can see this clown week after week and still think that he's the answer. It's absolutely ridiculous.
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Why do you care? I get it why you’d care about Ange and his performance for us, but why are you so absolutely vexed that there may be other fans that don’t agree with you?

Seems to be a thing in here, same in the ENIC thread and a few of the player threads. Less shit getting thrown the way of the subject and more thrown at people who don’t think exactly how you want them to.

Posters that do this are narcissistic weirdos. Stop searching for acclaim and accord everywhere you go. Some people will always disagree with you. Accept it.
 
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