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I mean, there are people who genuinely believe that managers of clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford would prefer staying where they are to coming here. Whether it's because they strongly overestimate how appealing other clubs are, or strongly underestimate how appealing this club can be, or a combination of both, they're very pessimistic about the type of managers we can attract.

Despite some valid complaints about our general level of spending, we still spend a fortune compared to the overwhelming majority of the clubs. We occasionally have to sell our best players, but then how many clubs are actually immune to that? In fact some, such as Ajax and Dortmund, take pride in their ability to do just that. I can't imagine them having lower turnover rates than us.

Despite another common complaint that Levy is an especially trigger-happy chairman, we're somewhere in the middle in terms of how often we change managers. Even if this wasn't the case, it still wouldn't be a deal breaker for most. Pretty much any manager gets the sack at some point in his career, it hardly damages one's reputation beyond repair. Average lifespan of a manager is around 18-24 months these days, there's nothing exceptional in terms of how we operate.

No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.

Those managers would come in the Summer, not now though.
 
No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.

I doubt very much that they'd love to. Levy would be a downside to what could be a great job.
It would be like quitting a stable job where you're performing well and are respected, to take a job paying more, but at a company that you know has a track record for screwing employees.

I'm not sure exactly why people deem us to be such a massive club, because we won a trophy 15 years ago? Because we have a new stadium?
We have pedigree from past success, but that was 60 years ago. But a big club....I'm not sure. We're a rich club, but we're not particularly successful, especially given our riches. We've had great players in the past, but no better than the Milans, Bayern, or even Ajax and Dortmund.

So what exactly makes up the massive club that managers would love to work at?
We have a recent track record of putting speed bumps in careers, of both players and managers.
The whole club needs an overhaul, because there just isn't a winning mentality. Even when Levy decides to spend money, the recruitment is beyond pathetic for the most part, every now and again we strike gold, like Bale and Modric, but they don't hang around. Which is weird considering what a huge club we are....
 
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Let’s be honest. How many bigger jobs are out there than the Tottenham job, maybe 5 clubs in England (city, pool, Woolwich, Chelsea and united) Bayern, the two Spanish giants, juventus maybe, and for money and city PSG. That isn’t a huge amount of jobs for the 1000’s of managers competing for roles. Plus 90% of the above have younger coaches who should be at the job for at least 3 more years. That’s a lifetime in management! if Iraola has a bad season at Bournemouth next year (maybe two games a week, likely sell their best players during the summer etc) he might never get a shot at a big job again. I think with our young squad and similar style he would jump at the chance. We could also easily pay him £5-6m a year for a good long contract which dwarfs his 2 year £1m per season at Bournemouth
maybe an argument for atletico too, but thats about it. PSG is a weird one and as soon as them owners are gone so are they. would say its very close with juve too, they are far from the force they were decades ago. the lure of the premier league is huge for us.

if iraola is genuinely snubbing us then we are in trouble. its the next logic step in his managerial career.
 
Every manager we've ever had has ended up being sacked for "being terrible". Even the great ones. It's what tends to happen to happen to managers, and the fact Benitez has three under his belt doesn't mean shit in isolation.

Further, claiming him having Everton in 15th is a "failure" is odd considering they've been circling the drop for the best part of 5 years. It's par for the course for them.

His time at Newcastle was widely seen as a success, given the constraints he was under.

Lest we forget he won the Spanish league with Valencia, the Champions League with Liverpool, and the EL with Chelsea during his period as an interim. He's no mug, he's familiar with short term jobs, and would without doubt keep us in the division. Probably set up our defence well for the next manager too. Could do a lot worse than Benitez.
Yeah but his last 3 jobs have seen him sacked inside his first season twice.
He went down with Newcastle (not his faukt) and brought them back up.

I have big doubts he would actually improve us at all tbh.
 
I couldn't give a toss what the United fans think of the Glazers. We aren't in the same league.

They sacked ETH after he won the League Cup & FA Cup in 2 seasons, while finishing 4th & 8th in the league. You think that happens at Spurs?

You think Levy would spend £85M for Antony, £70 million for Casemiro and £55 million for Martinez in one window?

You're delusional bud.
I don't quite know why you've got yourself in a tizz here.
I fucking hate Levy and ENIC and can quite clearly see that, despite any fiddling of the books by the Glazers, they're far more interested in actual success at playing football than the crooks in charge of Spurs.
 
I think any narrative that Iraola, Frank, Silva or Mckenna turn us down in the Summer is false and just being overly pessimistic. I think they'd be reluctant to leave mid-season and we'd be even more reluctant to pay the premium to get them mid-season hence why I've always been an advocate of giving Ange until May and then getting the right man in the Summer.

But this idea that they'd turn down Spurs to stay at their current role isn't reality. They'd all make the move. The only danger to losing out on them would be if other big clubs were in the market for them. But if the choice is either staying at Bournemouth/Brentford/Fulham/Ipswich or joining Spurs then they all make the move.
 
I think any narrative that Iraola, Frank, Silva or Mckenna turn us down in the Summer is false and just being overly pessimistic. I think they'd be reluctant to leave mid-season and we'd be even more reluctant to pay the premium to get them mid-season hence why I've always been an advocate of giving Ange until May and then getting the right man in the Summer.

But this idea that they'd turn down Spurs to stay at their current role isn't reality. They'd all make the move. The only danger to losing out on them would be if other big clubs were in the market for them. But if the choice is either staying at Bournemouth/Brentford/Fulham/Ipswich or joining Spurs then they all make the move.


ALL 3 would come right now if we could agree the release with their clubs.
 
I mean, there are people who genuinely believe that managers of clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford would prefer staying where they are to coming here. Whether it's because they strongly overestimate how appealing other clubs are, or strongly underestimate how appealing this club can be, or a combination of both, they're very pessimistic about the type of managers we can attract.

Despite some valid complaints about our general level of spending, we still spend a fortune compared to the overwhelming majority of the clubs. We occasionally have to sell our best players, but then how many clubs are actually immune to that? In fact some, such as Ajax and Dortmund, take pride in their ability to do just that. I can't imagine them having lower turnover rates than us.

Despite another common complaint that Levy is an especially trigger-happy chairman, we're somewhere in the middle in terms of how often we change managers. Even if this wasn't the case, it still wouldn't be a deal breaker for most. Pretty much any manager gets the sack at some point in his career, it hardly damages one's reputation beyond repair. Average lifespan of a manager is around 18-24 months these days, there's nothing exceptional in terms of how we operate.

No matter how you look at it, this notion that no self-respecting manager would work with Levy/ENIC under any circumstances is not grounded in reality. In fact, majority of them would love to.
A year or two ago I would agree with you. But now I’m not so sure . You are on a hiding to nothing managing this club now. Your bank balance will improve but your CV won’t.
 
I think any narrative that Iraola, Frank, Silva or Mckenna turn us down in the Summer is false and just being overly pessimistic. I think they'd be reluctant to leave mid-season and we'd be even more reluctant to pay the premium to get them mid-season hence why I've always been an advocate of giving Ange until May and then getting the right man in the Summer.

But this idea that they'd turn down Spurs to stay at their current role isn't reality. They'd all make the move. The only danger to losing out on them would be if other big clubs were in the market for them. But if the choice is either staying at Bournemouth/Brentford/Fulham/Ipswich or joining Spurs then they all make the move.
Spot on. All managers have egos and think they'll be the ones to handle Levy and bring success. End of that day as well its money so even if sacked after 18 months they get a big fat pay off. Nuno and Conte are proving being sacked here is hardly career ending. Competing against other wealthy clubs for them is a different matter but City, Arse, Chelsea, Liverpool and probably Utd and Newcastle wont be looking for new managers come summer so as far as the prem goes it will be a free field.
 
A year or two ago I would agree with you. But now I’m not so sure . You are on a hiding to nothing managing this club now. Your bank balance will improve but your CV won’t.
Not after a lower half of the table finish. The fact is you no longer have what Poch did at the club as a recent over shadowing. A large part of the fan base seem to be catatonic as we slip towards a relegation fight.

At the end of the day it almost feels like the life has been slowly sucked out of the club. That was why I backed Ange for as long as this season because it was fun after the first 10 games in the stadium there was a buzz. Now the stadium feels completely lifeless and for most the fan base (especially season ticket holders) it feels more of a chore to go. I also sold my tickets for the first time not because I couldn’t go to a match but because I knew we were going to get battered.
 
I agree. You’ve even got journalists now who are saying that he doesn’t need to provide headline quotes every single press conference as it is only putting pressure on him. Yet it seems that’s what he continues today. When journalists are saying that, I think it was Dan Kilpatrick, Then you know it’s probably correct as they live off those.
he wants to be a walking headline doesn't he? never stops telling anyone who still cares that he is this and that. Can't lose? If contract cut short does one get paid some part of the full contract? I bet he cannot believe someone with his 'pedigree' got the job in the first place? someone posted a Munn interview or something on here. It said 'they' lobbied for him? If he gets the tin tack, will all the new Aussie 'fans' that strangely worship him be gone too? 🙏
 
I mean, there are people who genuinely believe that managers of clubs like Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford would prefer staying where they are to coming here.
agreed, go for iraola, if he turns you down you get silva or terzic! if they turn you down you look in the mirror and say maybe its time to sell and get out of here, im bang in trouble.

if hes put himself into a place where he cant get them managers then hes in big trouble and his stock in the club will be coming right down so best to get out.
 
ALL 3 would come right now if we could agree the release with their clubs.
This. Top6 club job is not available that often. And even when it is, those clubs usually goes abroad with next hirings.

Who was the last guy promoted from low/mid PL tier to Top6 club as manager? I think that was Nuno in 2021? Ahh and Potter to Chavs. You could count also Maresca but lets be honest, he was chosen strictly based on fact he has Pep connection.

Guys like Iraola, Frank, Silva know next chance to jump into top6 club in England won't happen again soon for them, so they won't risk waiting till summer. Its all about Levy paying the price.
 
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