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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Indeed. That's the problem for me.

The much vaunted system that worked really well against shite like St Mirren and Dundee Utd, doesn't have the same impact against teams that are not coached by utter clowns.

Look at our form at the end of the season. Pure shit, out fought and out played by every decent team we played. I honestly think that Ange is lucky to even have a job.

I'm finding it difficult to get excited about a new season with Ange in charge knowing that Levy is fishing around in the bargain basement bin yet again.

The City match gave me cause for optimism where he finally did change it, looked way more comfortable and balanced.

I think he will, last season the weakest part of our team was attack so he threw players forward to support them, if we strengthen our attack then expect a better rest defence.
 
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The City match gave me cause for optimism where he finally did change it, lokkes way more comfortable and balanced.

I think he will, last season the weakest part of our team was attack so he threw players forward to support them, if we strengthen our attack then expect a better rest defence.
he waited until that game to change it when we were getting opened up and battered in the games before with no changes.

He was desperate to get a result in that particular game.
 
he waited until that game to change it when we were getting opened up and battered in the games before with no changes.

He was desperate to get a result in that particular game.

Didn't really endear himself to the fans did he!

It was also the match where no one took any notice of the way he set us up because we were actually good on and off the ball and should have won the game.
 
Indeed. That's the problem for me.

The much vaunted system that worked really well against shite like St Mirren and Dundee Utd, doesn't have the same impact against teams that are not coached by utter clowns.

Look at our form at the end of the season. Pure shit, out fought and out played by every decent team we played. I honestly think that Ange is lucky to even have a job.

I'm finding it difficult to get excited about a new season with Ange in charge knowing that Levy is fishing around in the bargain basement bin yet again.
Yes, it worked against the shite in the Scottish league. No reason to think it would work in England, except he’s working with much better players here. So it’s not just a copy and paste from up here, his raw materials are far superior. It’ll take time. And it may not work in the end, but we need to give a manager a chance eventually.

As for your assertion that you know Levy is fishing around the bargain basement bin - you know fuck all. You think what you want to think and your opinion is as valid as the next person’s, but ”knowing”? Nope.
 
Yes, it worked against the shite in the Scottish league. No reason to think it would work in England, except he’s working with much better players here. So it’s not just a copy and paste from up here, his raw materials are far superior. It’ll take time. And it may not work in the end, but we need to give a manager a chance eventually.

As for your assertion that you know Levy is fishing around the bargain basement bin - you know fuck all. You think what you want to think and your opinion is as valid as the next person’s, but ”knowing”? Nope.

Do I have a 100% metaphysical certitude? No, of course not, believe it or not, Levy tends not to confide in me all that often...

Do I have an educated guess based on 20 plus years of previous behaviour, and the signing of Werner? Yes. I'm pretty confident that Levy will do the absolute bare minimum as always.

We pay some of the highest ticket prices in the world, and for what? So Levy can give himself a pay-rise and concentrate on building hotels rather than building a team.
 
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Do I have a 100% metaphysical certitude? No, of course not, believe it or not, Levy tends not to confide in me all that often...

Do I have an educated guess based on 20 plus years of previous behaviour, and the signing of Werner? Yes. I'm pretty confident that Levy will do the absolute bare minimum as always.

We pay some of the highest ticket prices in the world, and for what? So Levy can give himself a pay-rise and concentrate on building hotels rather than building a team.
At least you have used “some of the highest ticket prices in the world”, so you are informed in the case that we aren’t “the most expensive”, as many on here believe.

Aye, nobody knows what’s happening in Levy’s head. I would say that he has previous in the bargain bin, but the past few years have seen us spend more on fees, wages and staff on the football side. I’d rather believe this will continue and not believe we’ll go back to Nelsen and Saha. Recent history trumps ancient for me.
 
At least you have used “some of the highest ticket prices in the world”, so you are informed in the case that we aren’t “the most expensive”, as many on here believe.

Aye, nobody knows what’s happening in Levy’s head. I would say that he has previous in the bargain bin, but the past few years have seen us spend more on fees, wages and staff on the football side. I’d rather believe this will continue and not believe we’ll go back to Nelsen and Saha. Recent history trumps ancient for me.

Levy only ever does the absolute bare minimum to maintain a top four challenge. We were told the stadium would make us ultra-competitive in the transfer market and we often see articles showing how much Spurs could spend. But we never do, despite paying out a fortune on ticket prices? Why?

Levy. The sooner he leaves the club the better we'll all be.

Personally I think we were sold a lie with the new stadium, but that's a different topic of conversation and I don't want to derail the thread.
 
Levy only ever does the absolute bare minimum to maintain a top four challenge. We were told the stadium would make us ultra-competitive in the transfer market and we often see articles showing how much Spurs could spend. But we never do, despite paying out a fortune of ticket prices? Why?

Levy. The sooner he leaves the club the better we'll all be.

Personally I think we were sold a lie with the new stadium, but that's a different topic of conversation and I don't want to derail the thread.

? We have spent since the stadium has opened though.


The issue isn't the spend, it's increasing the wage budget, that's how you generally end up with the best players.
 
? We have spent since the stadium has opened though.


The issue isn't the spend, it's increasing the wage budget, that's how you generally end up with the best players.

That article states that we've spend the fourth largest amount of money. Which is exactly what I said in my previous post:

Levy only ever does the absolute bare minimum to maintain a top four challenge.
 
That article states that we've spend the fourth largest amount of money. Which is exactly what I said in my previous post:

Levy only ever does the absolute bare minimum to maintain a top four challenge.

But my point is that it's not about spending money so to speak, it's about wages and recruitment - Look where Liverpool are in that list, they're way down in 9th but have had 3 title challenges over the past 5 years due to their wage bill and the players they've targeted.

The recruitment we have got right, improving the wage bill will improve our standing and get us closer to the top.
 
Yes, it worked against the shite in the Scottish league. No reason to think it would work in England, except he’s working with much better players here. So it’s not just a copy and paste from up here, his raw materials are far superior. It’ll take time. And it may not work in the end, but we need to give a manager a chance eventually.

As for your assertion that you know Levy is fishing around the bargain basement bin - you know fuck all. You think what you want to think and your opinion is as valid as the next person’s, but ”knowing”? Nope.
He's not really, though, is he?
Celtic are leagues better than everyone from 3rd down in Scotland. Most of the time they will win just by turning up, so Ange's system is irrelevant.
Rodgers got Leicester relegated and himself sacked then goes and wins the league up there. Proof in point.
Spurs are not the best team in England. Not by a long shot. So if anything, compared to the other teams in our league, he's working with worse players.

I suspect he gets found out in the first 10 games next season. Last season he caught teams by surprise as they didn't know what we were doing. That and the fact none of our squad had ever played with him before, so most of them were doing what they did before. As the season wore on, every player got worse and every team we played got wiser.
 
Funniest argument of all time is that with all the technology, all the data available, Ange took these great collection of coaches of the greatest league in the world BY SURPRISE.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Classic.
 
The City match gave me cause for optimism where he finally did change it, looked way more comfortable and balanced.

I think he will, last season the weakest part of our team was attack so he threw players forward to support them, if we strengthen our attack then expect a better rest defence.
100%. I don’t expect a better attack, they are expensive
 
Do I have a 100% metaphysical certitude? No, of course not, believe it or not, Levy tends not to confide in me all that often...

Do I have an educated guess based on 20 plus years of previous behaviour, and the signing of Werner? Yes. I'm pretty confident that Levy will do the absolute bare minimum as always.

We pay some of the highest ticket prices in the world, and for what? So Levy can give himself a pay-rise and concentrate on building hotels rather than building a team.
Expectations need to be kept reasonably low, nobody should expect much in the way of outstanding recruitment, that's not going to happen.
Think the management will end up disappointed when the window ends, but again nothing new there.
 
Watched your first season with Ange (and the commentary on this forum 😁) with interest last season. He’s a manager I’ve followed throughout his career not just because he’s from Aus, because there’s plenty of terrible managers from here too, but because his philosophy on football, mentality and the guy himself I’ve always enjoyed watching.

Im in Brisbane where he took the Brisbane Roar to all kinds of heights and for what it’s worth I’ll say this

I wasn’t surprised by the injuries and mid to late season blips you guys experienced as the style of football he plays is high energy and it takes many players time to adapt and some just don’t cope with it longer term where others do. Once they come through this initial period and are more conditioned to it the volume of injuries reduces from the initial time. I know they’re footballers and fit etc but there’s still different levels even amongst the elite as I’m sure you can see by comparing players like Ndombele and VDV and the Ndombeles of the world are moved on regardless of reputation. As the season goes on the ones that “buy in” because it’s a new manager and the ones that really truly buy in get seen and will be what Ange referred to late in the season about players and his system. The ones that don’t truly get on board will either be moved on or find themselves on the periphery of the squad regardless of who they are as Ange is all about the team as a unit not any single player which is why the character of a player is so important to him. He’ll use this window to turn over a few and further fill the squad with the “right” player for how he wants the side to play both structurally and physically. He’s done it time and time again with sides and they pretty much always improve second season, time will tell I guess for the ones of you doubting he’s up to it.

As for comments he’s been “found out” by other managers now and his inflexible system won’t work etc etc it’s seriously laughable that you think no other manager in all his time has thought “what if we hit them fast and wide on the counter”?? Also if you don’t think while he absolutely has a style of play he’s steadfast on (most managers do) that he doesn’t tweak things depending on who he’s playing then you’re not watching very closely. There’s definitely tactical tweaks and selections made dependant on the opposition there for all to see, even some of the guys at Walkabout Creek FC! 😉


The Prem is obviously one of the top leagues in the world with the best players, managers, everything so I understand the trepidation around Ange to a point but know he is a quality manager who will leave no stone unturned to keep driving your side to success, as he’s done everywhere previously.
 
He's not really, though, is he?
Celtic are leagues better than everyone from 3rd down in Scotland. Most of the time they will win just by turning up, so Ange's system is irrelevant.
Rodgers got Leicester relegated and himself sacked then goes and wins the league up there. Proof in point.
Spurs are not the best team in England. Not by a long shot. So if anything, compared to the other teams in our league, he's working with worse players.

I suspect he gets found out in the first 10 games next season. Last season he caught teams by surprise as they didn't know what we were doing. That and the fact none of our squad had ever played with him before, so most of them were doing what they did before. As the season wore on, every player got worse and every team we played got wiser.
I’m curious, what sort of result will be proof he’s been “found out” first 10 games next season? How many wins/losses/points?

Brisbane Roar - almost bottom turned them into back to back champions
Melbourne Victory - turned them into champions
Yokohama F Marinos - mid table hadn’t won for 20 years, turned them into champions
Celtic - club an absolute shambles on arrival coming off a season 25 points behind Rangers, turned them into champions and won 5 of 6 trophies on offer
Spurs - disrupted pre season, lost Kane on eve of the season and didn’t get to replace, brought in unknowns and youngsters into the side and was tipped to finish bottom half by quite a few, even relegated, finishes 5th and gets criticised for not finishing the season strongly enough (often happens with young players getting used to rigours of long season) and daring to say he always wants his side to win regardless of who they’re playing.

Also, “most of them were just doing what they‘d done before” early in the season?? That’s what you saw? Same players doing the same thing as previous? Wow.
 
That article states that we've spend the fourth largest amount of money. Which is exactly what I said in my previous post:

Levy only ever does the absolute bare minimum to maintain a top four challenge.
Not sure bare min as we haven’t had top 4 for last two seasons and spent more than teams that have made top ie Villa, dippers and bar codes. Chavs are a lost cause but have managed to get to numerous finals and win CL. Manure spent more but again 3 cup finals in last 2 seasons and winning 2 cups. Goons spent more than us but have challenged for the title past two seasons.
 
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