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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I don't remember, giving away goals as cheaply under Poch or as often.
I want him and the team to succeed but, it looks disorganised and a mess during games, the best 7 or 8 teams will have a field day against us.
Ange is kidding himself, if he thinks he can win something playing like that, it's ossies spurs all over again, great on paper but doesn't work in reality.
So you'd rather your club spend your clubs money investing in hotels, property, and other non football ventures than on the football team itself?
That's what I call boring.
Well…fucking…said
Edit: LOL at the resident ‘Moaning Menaces’ with their disagrees
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The only teams to do the double over us last season were Chelsea and Wolves so clearly we were not some rabble that the top teams feasted on.
It’s nothing like Ossie’s football, where five players did what they like and the defence sat deep. The idea is to squeeze the other team deep into their territory so they can’t get out. Again, Arteta, Klopp, Pep, they all had similar problems early on where they looked wide open to counters.
Really? Which players do you rate so highly from that Arse team? Because on paper, they aren’t that much better than us. I think they just play a more balanced system.
you need aggressive players in the front line for that...we got son, johnson and werner who im also noticing is hesitant to actually get into it. never going to work unless everyone is on the same page and willing to actually be aggressive.
look how many times already berg has won the ball by actually being willing to get into a dual.
johnson and werner have come in under his stewardship...surely he hasnt watched them and thought they are aggressive enough to play in this system lol. the only aggression ive ever seen from johnson is when he kicked richarlison!
Johnson unfortunately would, lose out on a dual with a hamster.
I don't know that defenders doing their job well is bailing Ange out. It's what they're meant to do. It's why someone like VDV was specifically brought in: because of his fit for what is a high risk system.
We all know that we play high risk football and that we're going to concede chances, yet despite this for the games where we had our first choice defence last season, we actually conceded the 4th least number of goals. Our defensive structure relies on having those right players to 'bail us out' of certain situations by design.
As for set piece defending, yes we need to be better. I don't think Ange doesn't care about set pieces or think they're important; it's that there have been even more pressing concerns needing to be addressed. For example, we created a high number of chances last season but our conversion was relatively poor, meaning that you're not getting the reward you need to get to mitigate the risk going the other way . Also, our control in the final third was often way too loose, leaving us vulnerable to more counter attacking opportunities than you'd like.
Combine those things (not taking chances and losing the ball often and cheaply in the final third) and the system breaks down. So by all means improve set pieces, but ultimately that's one part of a bigger issue that Ange and his coaches will no doubt have been looking to address.
But we actually did very well on pressures and regains last season. We were one of the top teams in the league. It was only when we ran out of steam that the pressing became lax.
Mate we all want this club to be successful, that we are all aligned on.
Thing is, ange is trying/hoping to outscore the opposition every time.
But when it breaks down, or ball is given away, we are then found wanting, we struggle to deal with anything defensively, all this worked in weaker leagues.
A mate of mine is a Celtic fan, he loved ange and still does but, he said while the football at times was amazing, he just didn't do defending and in the EPL, there are too many good teams who find you out.
I just disagree with what you’re saying. There are different ways to defend. One is by keeping the other team penned in their half most of the game. This is what Ange wants to work towards. It’s not easy to accomplish, but if we give him time and the right players we can become very effective playing that way.
Well let's hope so mate, although many on here have said during the summer that, second season things come together.
I hope that is the case, looking at us so far, we are quite a bit off that.
Maybe it will, maybe we won’t quite be there. This league is unforgiving. Solanke will help. Was a pressing monster last season, and hopefully lead the press. Bergvall coming in too, looks like he has a real physicality missing in some of our other mids.
If Postecoglou isn't angling for a defensive midfielder then he ain't seeing the picture.
Even the best defenders, something we haven't got need protecting.
I'll say it , if we go into the new season without addressing the obvious gap in our team, then it's 5th or 6th again.
And that will be on Postecoglou if he hasn't been forceful in his argument.
A striker was essential and we will see how Solanke fares
Gray over a top central midfielder? Not sure that made sense.
Even the best defenders, something we haven't got need protecting.
I'll say it , if we go into the new season without addressing the obvious gap in our team, then it's 5th or 6th again.
And that will be on Postecoglou if he hasn't been forceful in his argument.
A striker was essential and we will see how Solanke fares
Gray over a top central midfielder? Not sure that made sense.
Solanke is a great signing, and yes Bergvall has already given the manager a headache, he looks ready for the first team now.
League goals scored against us last season:
City 5
Woolwich 5
Liverpool 5
Chelsea 6
Newcastle 5
Villa 2
United 2
It was extremely easy for most of the top teams to score against us last season. That’s 30 goals conceded in 14 matches against them.
That's a lot of goals
Not debating that we struggled in some of those matches, although there is always context in some of the reasons why. My point still stands though. Only Chelsea took 6 points from us, in the most self-inflicted wound of all time.
They're better coached. It's that simple.