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We aren't constructing shit in here mate. In this place, the general rule is disagree and stick to it. Results go your way you are right, results go bad you are wrong.
Yep it's more than people hiding behind the 'system' . He has made some frankly poor management decisions. He also needs to reflect on how he behaved in that post match interview because as a man it was also more than a bit cringe.
Come onRichard Arlison you have been quite constructive in the discussions, even though the topic is emotional and heated.
But you cannot seriously claim that options are - pragmatic meaning Jose Mourinho a'la 2024 and progressive meaning Ange or Pep a'la 2024. You have to understand that there is middle ground there.
I also wrote longer post just recently, but based on what I saw I'd mention good pragmatic managers - Ancellotti (edgeing out this "super progressive Pep just last year), Jupp Heynces, Hansi Flick - two managers who both side of Pep reign in Bayern won CL for the German team while Pep with same material never made to CL final.
It does not mean that either approaches would be dead. But presenting some turnover stats as some kind of win after our start to current campaign is mildly funny for me. Of course both approaches do exist and I can see both enjoying success too.
Much bigger question is - what type suits Spurs better in the long run.
I very much doubt that we can outPep Pep himself and buy better players with much less funds. We will be underdogs against them, and for underdog role, some more adjustable and pragmatic approach, I honestly believe, suits better. That does not mean ultra defensive football though.
I guess the real question is how well would those managers go at Tottenham?
This is what I found after a single google search:
Premier League injuries table: Which club had the most injuries this season?
Man United, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea all had major injury crises this season - who was worst affected?
www.bbc.com
Tottenham had the most injured players in the league at 22.
Thank you for proving my point.
Yeah you’ve missed the U21 and U18 injuries…
Leicester were in a financial mess and had to let go of any players worth having.
They couldn't afford to sack Rogers if they wanted to. So he had to stay there or walk away for free.
It was a horrendous mess created above him that he was in the middle of.
Them going down was inevitable rather than attributable to him.
He's done no worse than Ange at Celtic. I think their fans are finally waking up to that.
Probably but not needed to prove the point.
I get what you're saying but I honestly think he would leave no room for complaints tbh. There will always be some people unhappy but I truly believe this man would take the club to the next level.
That being said, Levy is the ultimate problem at this club but I would argue our current manager has been backed with the players he wants (he has said so himself and he said the other day he speaks honestly so unless he's a bullshitter I have to trust what he says.)
I would argue Ange has been backed, Conte wasn't imo like many other managers before him.
Sure, but a) a lot of those wouldn't have started, b) a lot were for a game or 2, c) not all of them were at the same time.This is what I found after a single google search:
Premier League injuries table: Which club had the most injuries this season?
Man United, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea all had major injury crises this season - who was worst affected?
Tottenham had the most injured players in the league at 22.
When we got tonked 4-0 by Newcastle, fans here were licking their lips at how we were getting to play them at their weakest.
Same for Chelsea away.
Those teams had half or more of their starting 11 missing for months.
Ange signed off on these players though mate and said he was happy with them so he is as much to blame as the recruitment imo.
He can't talk like billy big bollocks in his pressers if he is truly deep down unhappy with the signings and just lays down and rolls on his back for Levy, he was plenty vociferous against the supporters, should hold that energy for the club and chairman as well.
I think Ange and his vision/system is far too predictable for any long term success in a top tier league and in order for it to be successful you would need attacking talent the likes of which only City have and even then, I would argue someone like Pep would be getting more out of that talent than Ange would.
This is what I found after a single google search:
Premier League injuries table: Which club had the most injuries this season?
Man United, Newcastle, Liverpool, Chelsea all had major injury crises this season - who was worst affected?
Tottenham had the most injured players in the league at 22.
2023-24 EPL Season Injury Review - Premier Injuries
Games missed due to injury
1) Newcastle 245
5) Chelsea - 214
6) Man United - 202
10) Spurs 168
See. Our players missed considerably less games than those teams.
Days lost to injury
1) Newcastle - 1,950
3) Chelsea - 1,745
6) Man United - 1,620
9) Spurs 1,402
See. Our players missed less days due to injury.
Newcastle, United and Chelsea (and a few other non-rivals) suffered more than us.
It was sarcasm but it seems you missed it.
I find it hilarious that players like Perisic, Solomon or Sessegnon are included in the long term injuries list, as if they’d have any impact on the results.
The important thing, if you really judge how disruptive the injuries have been to our season, is not the number itself of players injured, rather how many of those were first team players. And of course the length of their injuries.
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Cracker mate!
That may or may not be true, I don't know know. In nay case its debatable if Newcastle was "much worse", and but lets say their injuries were worse, you'd expect us to finish above Newcastle. We did. So what is the point?
There is no way Woolwich or Liverpool and other top teams are allowing us to have the fucking ball. For all the lack of results, defensive issues on set pieces and lack of creativity resulting in goals, the one thing Spurs are doing well is controlling the ball with possession. And that’s not because our opposition are “allowing” itThis is what baffles my mind that people are still 100% defending him.
Teams allowing us the ball, giving us the stats that look like progression. Our XG is crap as we don’t create clear-cut chances, while opponents just suck it up and score from a corner or a breakaway. 4 out of 12 points
It’s a rebuild “again” be patient
No I didn't miss the sarcasm. did you miss mine.
Perisic was valuable in the beginning and sorely missed when he was injured. No-one knows how Solomon could or would impact because..injuries. I didn't mention Sessegnon.
What about the others? Van den Ven? Bissouma? Maddison? Richarlison? Udogie? Bentancur? Sarr? All first team players. Seven of them.
This is one of the best posts I have read on this forum since signing up and I am also absolutely tired of this hipster nonsense from people who are blinded by the magical possession based football ideology and how it guarantees success and has a higher ceiling when every objective metric suggests otherwise (as you highlighted.)
I get that people were fed up with the way we played under Conte in his last season but this idea we should stick with Ange because his football has a higher ceiling and it will all "click" at some point and start producing Harlem Globetrotters level results is actual delusional behaviour.
Right now he is looking completely out of his depth as a PL manager and let's face it, we haven't had a run of good consistent results since the Chelsea game, anybody being honest with themselves knows this to be true and no amount of fucking possession is going to change THAT metric.