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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
The non selection of Maddison - again - is fucking baffling. Whatever people perceive his weaknesses, he is our most productive and creative (in midfield and forward areas) player but also really important when trying to play through pressure - he drops in, can twist and turn and usually makes the best passing decisions. He was on the pitch 45 fucking minutes less than Kulusevski (who played 45 as an 8 as well) and completed 5 more passes than him. Not that he did anything spunktastic but at least he didn't constantly spunk away the ball like Kulusevski did/does.

That said, Kulusevski is more useful that Johnson who's literally got one play in the playbook and it isn't likely to work very well Arse.

The half time subs were just a stupid overreaction and tactically daft. We were only one goal behind, we didn't have to go full twat. Just tweak it. Maddison on for Sarr and keep Bergval as the other 8, would have meant Bergval could do his running thing at the defence, not trying to break out of our defence, and we would have the ability to move the ball through both sides, with two lateral 8's comfortable receiving the ball and able to look forwards and join attacks too.

The next sub should have been Moore - someone that can dribble and take players on and turn them round for Son or Kulusevski. Then Rich for Solanke.

Putting Kukusevski back into midfield and Johnson on the right improved nothing creatively, left Bergval all on his own in midfield and opened the game right up for Woolwich on the counter.

Other shit that is really starting to annoy me is players just not busting their balls to get back into defensive shape, track runners etc when they lose the fucking ball in forward areas. And this is on them but also on Ange who has to coach this as his system exposes defensive transitions as it is.
 
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Can't blame Krystyna for any of this.
Agree....The Tea Lady was always going to stay....lol
Whatever about the result but what about the "playing out from the back" stuff? I know it's risky but the way we were doing it tonight was fucking suicidal. It was quite literally comical and farcical. I think they got most of their chances from it!
Yes...agree....Rio Ferdinand said it was under 14 s standard and he would know....
 
Still makes me shudder that non-league Tamworth was a whisker away from beating us in the last seconds of normal time.

Not sure some have really let that one sink in properly.
I agree. Even making some allowances for appalling reffing and the pitch, it was beyond appalling

It would have been the most humilating result for a Div 1 / Prem team in my lifetime. Was a sackable
Offence no question
 
watch the spirit that forest show compared to spurs. its night and day. ones a group of players that are happy and fired up under a manager, the others are just waiting for a fat cunt to be sacked.


we will see a nice bounce when he goes, which is why if its now (maybe im stupid) but id fancy us in the league cup and europa. we have some decent players.
The spirit of the manager is the point I'm making. Under conte it was based on wing play, Mourinho it was soaking up pressure and counter attacking, poch it was high pressing and winning the ball back. Forcing mistakes. Ange just seems to be nothing. He was brought in as this guy who was all about the front door attacking football, at ANY COST. But you don't see anyone dying on the field for him. Players really tired trying his 'system'. He has no system, I know you agree with me here so I won't go into more detail. He should be finished as Tottenham manager.
 
These players proved (what we already knew) on Sunday they have no fight in them or a desire to mix it. We get dragged into a relegation battle we won’t come out of it well.
It's the lack of fight and guts that is most worrying, if we get dragged into a relegation fight you need both in spades. Unbelievable how many aerial contests we either fail to compete in or lose miserably, I don't think I have ever witnessed a team so poor at them or at anything that resembles a 50 50 challenge.
 
My point is this: saying the the players are not executing the plan feels like casting too wide a net. It also overlooks the possibility that they are following his instructions—it’s just the plan itself that’s failing.
No problem with that analysis. I was responding to your suggestion that the younger players might feel aggrieved at his presser. Nothing he said or did in game supports that afaics
 
I said in the match thread. It’s because the press is so badly orchestrated it leaves players in the wrong place. Plus they’re lazy. Woolwich had 3 players around one of ours time and again while they were always in space. They get tight and are aggressive, we stand off.

The players aren’t great but he’s making them look worse. They won’t complain though because he’s letting them get away with being so lazy.
It's just so easy to press us, there's no one dropping deep to receive the ball because everyone is in the final third, when we don't need so much players there, the ball is a long way back to getting there, what's the fucking point? I don't know if this is the view of Ange on attacking footbal, just crowding the final third with players, without anyone to bring the ball there, make a cross, put a through ball, work a one -two, we simply don't have a midfield most of the time and the guy is leaving Maddison on the bench, he cleary thinks this shit will work, as if we were in the 50's were you played with 5 forwards.
 
The non selection of Maddison - again - is fucking baffling. Whatever people perceive his weaknesses, he is our most productive and creative (in midfield and forward areas) player but also really important when trying to play through pressure - he drops in, can twist and turn and usually makes the best passing decisions. He was on the pitch 45 fucking minutes less than Kulusevski (who played 45 as an 8 as well) and completed 5 more passes than him. Not that he did anything spunktastic but at least he didn't constantly spunk away the ball like Kulusevski did/does.

That Kulusevski is more useful that Johnson who's literally got one play in the playbook and it isn't likely to work very well Arse.

The half time subs were just a stupid overreaction and tactically daft. We were only one goal behind, we didn't have to go full twat. Just tweak it. Maddison on for Sarr and keep Bergval as the other 8, would have meant Bergval could do his running thing at the defence, not trying to break out of our defence, and we would have the ability to move the ball through both sides, with two lateral 8's comfortable receiving the ball and able to look forwards and join attacks too.

The next sub should have been Moore - someone that can dribble and take players on and turn them round for Son or Kulusevski. Then Rich for Solanke.

Putting Kukusevski back into midfield and Johnson on the right improved nothing creatively, left Bergval all on his own in midfield and opened the game right up for Woolwich on the counter.

Other shit that is really starting to annoy me is players just not busting their balls to get back into defensive shape, track runners etc when they lose the fucking ball in forward areas. And this is on them but also on Ange who has to coach this as his system exposes defensive transitions as it is.
He's obviously questioned - very articulately - Ange's methods, or such, and been knocked back because pof it.

Ange cutting off his nose to spite his face.

Too up in his feels all the time.
 
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