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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
He has done it to himself. To not even try to develop a subset of tactics in the PL is crazy. With all the injuries the players needed protection. Instead they were told to gung-ho attack attack attack. Again playing out from the back - we are creating opportunities for the opposition. Why cant Ange just give the keeper a license to hoof it under certain circumstances. He embraces his own limitations by bragging about not knowing a different way to play. The game v Chelsea last season was comical. Playing a highline down to 9 men isn't brave, its stupid. In miliary terms it would be the equivalent charging an enemy from the low ground.

We sack Ange, we carry on being Tottenham Hotspur, but Ange has made himself almost unemployable after this. No top PL would touch him, and the Crystal Palace's, Brentfords, Wolves ect would now allow a manager with no defensive nous as he could literally get a weaker and smaller club relegated. We are too big to go down, but Ange he is the type of manager to take Bournemouth who are flying at the moment, back down to the second division.

If he has the chance to take a pay day in Saudi Arabia, he should take it.
 
harry7 said:
We know that when we have been cooking under Ange, we have been excellent, and you could certainly see the foundations of a title challenge in the next couple of years.

BUT, once again, as momentum builds the board once again fails to back the manager.

After losing Kane; and still managing the finish 5th, despite a season littered with injuries - we lose experienced players in Skipp, Royal, Dier, Holjberg, Perisic - and replace them with Grey, Yang, Odobert, Solanke, Bergvall. 4 x 18 years olds and a striker who is bang average.

With our history of injuries - why on earth did well sell arguably our leader and best player last season in Holjberg????? A man that has never been injured. A warrior. Yet we kept Bentencaur who has a serious knee injury that will likely mean he never really plays at a decent level again; and Bissouma who plays every game like its a kickabout with his mates down the local park.

So, either the club acknowledges that we will be shite for 3-4 years whilst these kids learn how to play football; or they are entirely inept.

ANGE and his system can only be judged when he has the players available. Grey, Bergvall, Sarr, Dragusin, Moore, Odobert aren't ready to be starters. They should be getting minutes in cups, or off the bench. Not starting games. It's no accident that Liverpool don't have anyone under 21 in their squad; and their matchday squad is typically all 24+ with 1 kid rotated.

The experienced players in our squad are Richy, Solanke, Maddison, Bissouma, Kulu, Son and Romero. All but Kulu are in torrid form and none of them are leaders.
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Do you have a persistent cough?
 
harry7 said:
We have scored the 2nd most goals in the EPL this season. The main issues are not having a decent number 6 or a defense.

Our midfield doesn't cut out transitions; and our defense has low quality and inexperienced players. We actually missed Johnson yesterday, who helps our Porro in defense. Bergvall and Sarr played like you expect you kids to do - running around with lots of enthusiasm, but always getting pulled out of position and losing the ball.
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Now I know you are trolling. Johnson does NOT help Porro.

And we scored lots of goals in some games. There are a decent number of games where we’ve only scored 1 goal and a one with none.
 
Murphy said:
Now I know you are trolling. Johnson does NOT help Porro.

And we scored lots of goals in some games. There are a decent number of games where we’ve only scored 1 goal and a one with none.
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Go look it up. Johnson is top 2 in all stats for defending for attacking players. Like him or not, he puts in a shift winning the ball back and closing down players. Tackles, interceptions, pressing, clearances. Thats why Ange plays him so much, and Porro always gets exposed when he's not playing.
 
harry7 said:
Go look it up. Johnson is top 2 in all stats for defending for attacking players. Like him or not, he puts in a shift winning the ball back and closing down players. Tackles, interceptions, pressing, clearances. Thats why Ange plays him so much, and Porro always gets exposed when he's not playing.
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lol. Actually watch the games and see what he does. He has a knack for being in the right place and has scored a lot of important goals for us but he’s fucking lazy and his creative output is disgraceful for a winger. 2 assists in the league all season is shocking.

He does not track back, he does not anticipate or give the midfield many options and he doesn’t fucking run at defenders.
 
rusty said:
the club wants Ange out ? have you seen how we are playing and our league position ?
Most managers here would have been sacked months ago, but the club have kept him here how is that "the club want Ange out"
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I meant that they wanted him out back early December. They would have bought players in by now if they wanted to keep him. They just thought, let this play out and let the fans all turn on him and then we sack him
 
harry7 said:
Go look it up. Johnson is top 2 in all stats for defending for attacking players. Like him or not, he puts in a shift winning the ball back and closing down players. Tackles, interceptions, pressing, clearances. Thats why Ange plays him so much, and Porro always gets exposed when he's not playing.
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Johnson does not do those kinds things. Stat pish again. I’ve seen him tackle about 3 times in 20+games. He’s always just off the press because he won’t sprint to close down. Clearances? I could get a monkey out of the zoo to clear the ball!!
We certainly did not miss him yesterday.
 
nicoclaesen said:
Johnson does not do those kinds things. Stat pish again. I’ve seen him tackle about 3 times in 20+games. He’s always just off the press because he won’t sprint to close down. Clearances? I could get a monkey out of the zoo to clear the ball!!
We certainly did not miss him yesterday.
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He’s also featured in 21/22 premier league games. Yesterday was the first league game he’s missed all season. If he’s this super Porro complement why do we lose so many games then 😅
 
Herclueless said:
Why has he stopped coaching wins? Is he stupid or something???

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for him the style of play /set up is more important than mere result.
( it is who we are ))
that's why he hasn't varied much since crisis begun 3 months ago, he might have tweaked in a tiny bit yesterday

//// Morning , has he gone yet?

i think his end is near. could even be before this weekend
 
erlee said:
for him the style of play /set up is more important than mere result.
( it is who we are ))
that's why he hasn't varied much since crisis begun 3 months ago, he might have tweaked in a tiny bit yesterday

//// Morning , has he gone yet?

i think his end is near. could even be before this weekend
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that maybe ok when you have 1-2 players missing but when you see the same probelm week in week out you have to adopt/change this manager is unwilling to see he needs to change
 
In possession in 4-3-3, we usually look something like this:

CB-CB
DM
RB-CM-CM-LB
RW---------ST-------LW
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We know some of the weaknesses that this kind of a setup generates. Playing out from the back is more difficult, due to the fact that CBs don't have fullbacks as their go to options like they could have under a more traditional setup. Someone like Dragusin who is not good on the ball instinctively starts running towards the touchline for this reason. He's simply searching for the most convenient passing option whose presence he got accustomed to under normal circumstances. As we all know, this setup is also vulnerable to counters because fullbacks are asked to cover a lot of ground as soon as we turn the ball over.

The way I see it, that hilarious attempt at a 3 at the back was intended to generate more or less the same exact shape:

CB-LCB
RCB
AM-CM-CM-AM
RWB-------ST-------LWB​

Except, this kind of a setup exacerbates the aforementioned issues. Fullbacks are wingbacks now, so they are even further up the pitch than usual. As a result playing out from the back is even more difficult, as they are totally out of the picture. More importantly, as soon as there's a turnover and opposition gets out in transition, WBs have almost no chance of covering all that ground to reestablish the defensive shape. Who's going to cover the flanks then? Where fullbacks are placed in the former corresponds to where AMs are placed in the latter, so I assume it was Kulusevski and Maddison who should have done the job. Makes zero sense I know, but I can't see anything else.

There's no way you can keep a decent defensive shape in a back 3 without RCB and LCB being almost glued to their spots, as they're the only players who can possibly provide that aforementioned cover to WBs. What he tried to do with Gray was horribly thought out, there was no in-depth thinking behind it.
 
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