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Management Ange Postecoglou

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He's done.

The board are just going to try and hold out till summer rather than appoint an interim. It gives the appearance of not having a managerial merry go round. Nobody we want long term is available and the league season is dead in terms of all realistic goals with us 14 points off 6th place.

The only way he is sacked is if we realistically enter a relegation fight. So if we lost to Leicester at home (this is very unlikely to happen, they are drastically bad) then I think we'd hold panic talks. But imo from now we will tread water and likely see out the season 12th or above.

The league cup doesn't save his job imo - we would still look to hire an Iraola. A domestic cup double does and a Europa league trophy does, but only in the same sense that it got Di Matteo hired or kept Ten Haag in a job. The board would still have the finger on the trigger and doubt his long term capabilities in the league.

But anyway, I did say the Liverpool win was a false dawn. And it was. I can't get excited by any singular win under this coach as we will immediately be back to dismal the next match. 15th place is beyond the depths that even I thought he could sink, and frankly anyone still fighting his corner for any other reason than "wait till summer for available coaches" is an absolute embarrassment.
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Its actually hard to be any worse than we currently are. This is quite literally as bad as it could possibly ever get for a big 6 side.

Big 6?

We named a 23 man senior squad for this season.
With 4 GKs!! And when we got through our first 2 choice GKs we decided we needed to sign a 5th goalkeeper. As the other two are a bit crap.

You could not make this shit up.

Big6??? Insulting putting us in with Man City and their squad.
Registered 19 senior outfield players. Which included Max Robson. Whoever he is?? And Sergio reguillon as nobody else wanted him!!

It’s like the club expect no injuries at all!!

We really don’t behave like a Big 6 club right now.
 
Are managers really on a hiding to nothing here, especially in a way that they aren't in other clubs? Because the way I see it, with few exceptions such as Guardiola and Simeone, any manager is a poor run of form -around 10-12 matches- away from getting the boot. That's why any manager who feels he has the leverage insists on hefty termination clauses during contract negotiations. It's a preparation for an almost inevitable exit in the not-too-distant future. To give two recent and familiar examples, Dyche and Nuno took their respective clubs to unprecedented heights, yet got the sack regardless.

In particular, if Levy has such a notorious reputation in the eyes of many managers like some people claim, then this job should be closer to a free hit than it is to being on a hiding to nothing. Walk in to the job, earn your hefty wages during your tenure, perform to the best of your abilities, get the sack, pocket your payoff, walk away without suffering any reputational repercussions. And, on the slim chance that you obtain great success, enjoy being hailed as this guy who achieved the unachievable . Sounds like a dream to me.

I can see the objection that what I described above is too cost-benefit oriented, and that especially young and upcoming managers would be more idealistic in their thinking. I don't agree though. It's a job after all, you don't pass up this kind of an opportunity unless you have really good reasons to do so.

And by reasons I don't mean staying in clubs that spend nothing compared to us, let their best players go every summer, are run by people who cut corners as much as Levy does etc.
 
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Big 6?

We named a 23 man senior squad for this season.
With 4 GKs!! And when we got through our first 2 choice GKs we decided we needed to sign a 5th goalkeeper. As the other two are a bit crap.

You could not make this shit up.

Big6??? Insulting putting us in with Man City and their squad.
Registered 19 senior outfield players. Which included Max Robson. Whoever he is?? And Sergio reguillon as nobody else wanted him!!

It’s like the club expect no injuries at all!!

We really don’t behave like a Big 6 club right now.

Our squad really doesn't have much less depth than Woolwich. Obviously you can't compare us to City.

We have a more than strong enough squad for being 15th to be an embarrassing level of performance from the manager, go have a look at the players fielded by some teams above us. The Everton team that were 3-0 up in a half against us (managed by david fuckin' moyes) had some absolutely abysmal footballers in it.
 
Its actually hard to be any worse than we currently are.
Almost impossible to be worse. Really!! We may be 15th in the table, but in the FORM TABLE we are almost rock bottom

We are 19th equal (NINETEENTH) in the form table.

Equal with Saints, who but for a last ditch off the line save at Forest would've got a point and be ahead of us.

Ahead of ONLY LEICESTER. Oooh: look who we're playing on Sunday?

What's the accumulator doing for that one? Vardy to score? He must be looking at our defence and thinking I'm gonna fill my boots against those guys!! If EFC get 3, I could too!!
 
I would say to Porro or any player that says in an interview that we still love the manager. Words aren't good enough. You can't be so feeble and easily bullied as you were at Goodison. As you were in the majority of games in recent memory, and then turn around and say we're still fully behind him. They have to show it.

So if they don't want the buck to stop with the manager, They do have the power to make sure it doesn't. But they need to have a look at themselves and start proving that they want him to stay by playing like it. Because nice words aren't going to cut it when we're .... 15th.
but asking the players if they love him is stupid as its clearly obvious that they do! just go and check the fan video from after the everton game, kulu and madders clearly love this bloke and dont want him to leave.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-LEyDyB3E

1:23

kulu clearly loves the bloke.
 
There we disagree. Going into this project Spurs goal was to be competitive among the top teams in the Premier League. Is that no longer the goal. Just let Spurs somehow win a trophy, any trophy, and we can forget everything else? That is not progress.
The goal according to to Ange was to be in a position to win trophies every year.

We need to win 1 to start with. Have to break the voodoo
 
6.4166667. So a top 7 team. 🤣🤣

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Sort of besides the point though. We’re talking about how attractive a currently 15th team, that seems to have a complete crisis of leadership, is to a manager of a 7th or 11th placed club. Clubs who have a strategy for what they’re trying to achieve on the pitch.
But for a quarter of a century, we have been a top 6 side. Bar a couple of outlier seasons, we're more a top 5 team. In terms of not only league finishes but also wealthy fanbase ize etc etc .

We shouldn't accept being absolutely shite because some fans have a totally irrational hard on for a useless coach.
 
but asking the players if they love him is stupid as its clearly obvious that they do! just go and check the fan video from after the everton game, kulu and madders clearly love this bloke and dont want him to leave.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-LEyDyB3E

1:23

kulu clearly loves the bloke.


The goal according to to Ange was to be in a position to win trophies every year.

We need to win 1 to start with. Have to break the voodoo
Fair point.
 
Above all else, we have learned this season that 90% of our squad is not good enough or a complete pussy, or made of dreams and whimsy.
We haven't learned that at all though.
What we've learned is that in some games they look shit and in others they look world class.
Yet the team always plays the same way.

What we've learned is that we shouldn't judge them until we've seen them in a different setting.
 
Our squad really doesn't have much less depth than Woolwich. Obviously you can't compare us to City.

We have a more than strong enough squad for being 15th to be an embarrassing level of performance from the manager, go have a look at the players fielded by some teams above us. The Everton team that were 3-0 up in a half against us (managed by david fuckin' moyes) had some absolutely abysmal footballers in it.

So out of the 19 senior outfield players in the squad how many are you personally happy with?

I’d say most people on here - reading comments - would get rid of 50% minimum.

And do you know who Max Robson is?
 
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