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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
kingdawson said:
Why are people even arguing with Shadydan Shadydan and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison ??

They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester ( Richard Arlison Richard Arlison even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).

Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
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I said it was do or die for Ange because I’d expect him to get sacked if we lost.

I’m still shocked he wasn’t.

But you can check the match thread when I was asked and I said I’m still Ange in until the bitter end. I still am.
 
Shadydan said:
This is the 15th time you've made that argument and it misses out a boat load of context because of an injury crisis, you know this.

Arguments need to be logical and nuanced, not twisted and biased.
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None of the context of an injury crisis justifies being 15th. I have already explained why this is, and only a fool would try and argue otherwise. Even reasonable, pro-Ange posters have recognised this.

There is no world in which the team we had out against Everton was bad enough to compete as terribly as we did in that game, with a scoreline that flattered us massively. Nor does anything justify the absolute embarrassment that was the 90 mins vs Tamworth, or the other bazillion crap results beforehand. Nor the woeful end to last season where we were losing every single game with zero injuries. Our start to THIS season with a fully fit squad wasn't good either !!!!

Other, reasonable posters like MemphisWill MemphisWill have explained this to you repeatedly (incl showing our PPG over the last year and a bloody half!) and you have ignored it because you are intent on defending this man right up until the very moment the board stick a knife in his chest.
 
kingdawson said:
Why are people even arguing with Shadydan Shadydan and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison ??

They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester ( Richard Arlison Richard Arlison even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).

Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
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🚨 Breaking: man changes mind.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I said it was do or die for Ange because I’d expect him to get sacked if we lost.

I’m still shocked he wasn’t.

But you can check the match thread when I was asked and I said I’m still Ange in until the bitter end. I still am.
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oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. Your intentions are not pure.
 
kingdawson said:
oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. You're intentions are not pure.
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Because its a cult to him!!! He's following a cult leader!

This is why the "Ange cultists" thing has been an accusation from the start. Its true and always has been. He was always going to have his collection of followers who would back him till the end because they are following a cult of personality, the same as the Mourinhoistas.

It is actually pointless arguing with them tbh, and a total waste of time. But hey ho.
 
kingdawson said:
eh??

wait so you say you want him gone if we don't beat Everton and Leicester...we end up losing to Everton....and in the space of a few days you've changed your mind? haha.

This is cringe personified but I mean even you can probably admit that your mask has slipped on here and the game is up now right?
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Brother, we are on the internet.
 
Deuterz said:
None of the context of an injury crisis justifies being 15th. I have already explained why this is, and only a fool would try and argue otherwise. Even reasonable, pro-Ange posters have recognised this.

There is no world in which the team we had out against Everton was bad enough to compete as terribly as we did in that game, with a scoreline that flattered us massively. Nor does anything justify the absolute embarrassment that was the 90 mins vs Tamworth, or the other bazillion crap results beforehand. Nor the woeful end to last season where we were losing every single game with zero injuries. Our start to THIS season with a fully fit squad wasn't good either !!!!

Other, reasonable posters like MemphisWill MemphisWill have explained this to you repeatedly (incl showing our PPG over the last year and a bloody half!) and you have ignored it because you are intent on defending this man right up until the very moment the board stick a knife in his chest.
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If me and Deuterz Deuterz can agree on something, it's probably true.

:harrylol:
 
Shadydan said:
Brother, we are on the internet.
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right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
 
kingdawson said:
right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
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Why you tagging me again bro? I've been as clear as day about my thoughts in my reply to the last post you tagged me in.

We don't agree on Ange, this is a waste of time.
 
kingdawson said:
right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
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My point is I don't really care about the 'mask slipping' or being 'cringe' and the 'game is up' what fucking game lol am I about to lose internet points? am I about to to be exposed as a TFC fraud and get blacklisted? Why should that be so important to me? You may lose sleep over these kind of things but I don't.

You should perhaps stop focusing on me and all the potential gotcha's you can get over the great Shadydan and just chill out - depending on how I feel I might change my mind again, what can I say ;)

You're right though, there's definitely a load of characters on here
 
kingdawson said:
oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. Your intentions are not pure.
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I'm also Spurs until the bitter end. I was here before Ange and I'll be here after him. I was Spurs before ENIC and I will be after ENIC as well. I will be ENIC out until the bitter end too.

How the fuck can you claim to know my intentions? Are you stalking me?
 
FightingIllini said:
There either is something distinct about Angeball or there isn't.

If he's just a Pep clone those are a dime a dozen nowadays, why bother persisting through struggles with Ange if he's that replaceable?
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Not what I'm saying but intensity and pressing to dominate field position and control the game is hardly unique to Ange. It all goes back to Cruyff and then Barca and what Pep plays now. They all have quirks but the underlying roots of the game model are very similar.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Wondered the same.

I think there is a case to be made that playing this intense requires players who have that extra level of professionalism and dedication.
Kulusevski has been bionic this season and we know what his attitude is like. Kane learned to be available all the time, Hojberg was mega professional.

Maybe it’s a culture within the playing staff that needs to be developed if you want to play with the intensity to win?
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Fuck knows, I’m sure there’s always something else that’s required or can be used as an excuse as to why it isn’t working! If there is one, don’t worry, THFC will find it! 😂😂😂
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not what I'm saying but intensity and pressing to dominate field position and control the game is hardly unique to Ange. It all goes back to Cruyff and then Barca and what Pep plays now. They all have quirks but the underlying roots of the game model are very similar.
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There's absolutely a unifying philosophy to all of it.

At the margin though, Ange is less willing than other similar managers to trim the sails of his tactics in moments where goal prevention raises in importance versus goal scoring, and those tactics are more aggressive about pushing players into positions where they are vulnerable and face longer distances to recover when losing possession. (Pep's fullbacks are not habitually making runs to the opposing goalposts by design, Ange's are.)

It's at the margins of a consistent philosophy, but it *IS* a difference.

Is the constant counterattack vulnerability too much to survive? Does it cause physical burnout to players that's too much to survive? Does the aggression not generate enough in attack to outweigh those negatives?
 
FightingIllini said:
There's absolutely a unifying philosophy to all of it.

At the margin though, Ange is less willing than other similar managers to trim the sails of his tactics in moments where goal prevention raises in importance versus goal scoring, and those tactics are more aggressive about pushing players into positions where they are vulnerable and face longer distances to recover when losing possession. (Pep's fullbacks are not habitually making runs to the opposing goalposts by design, Ange's are.)

It's at the margins of a consistent philosophy, but it *IS* a difference.
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FightingIllini said:
Is the constant counterattack vulnerability too much to survive?
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IMO a fair question and clearly Ange is willing to live or die by risking this. He wants the players to have a mentality of killing games with goals not sitting deep. I would argue that he might not be wrong when you look at how poor we were at soaking up pressure under Jose, Conte, Nuno and even under Ange in the Wolves second half and scum first half BUT we are losing shitloads of games and sitting 15th, so there is no point making that argument atm.

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Does it cause physical burnout to players that's too much to survive?
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Personally I don't think the data on recovery sprints back up the answer to this being yes. Our burn out is exclusively from squad depth issues with the subsequent injuries causing a cascading effect.

Now, you could argue that we aren't the type of club who would ever invest in the required squad depth but then why did they hire a coach who is fucking reliant on it to win?

FightingIllini said:
Does the aggression not generate enough in attack to outweigh those negatives?
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Right now, clearly not. When enough players are fit and in form, I think clearly it does generate enough.

Overall Ange is live by the sword and die by the sword. He's dying atm but not dead yet.
 
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