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Management Ange Postecoglou

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kingdawson said:
right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
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My point is I don't really care about the 'mask slipping' or being 'cringe' and the 'game is up' what fucking game lol am I about to lose internet points? am I about to to be exposed as a TFC fraud and get blacklisted? Why should that be so important to me? You may lose sleep over these kind of things but I don't.

You should perhaps stop focusing on me and all the potential gotcha's you can get over the great Shadydan and just chill out - depending on how I feel I might change my mind again, what can I say ;)

You're right though, there's definitely a load of characters on here
 
kingdawson said:
oh wow this is quite incredible. My question to you at the time was if you thought he should go if we don't beat Everton and Leicester not "do you expect him to be sacked"?? now you're saying that's what you actually meant??

"Ange in until the bitter end" proves what I've been saying anyway. No fan should ever be "random manager in until the bitter end". It's a results business but you have literally just confirmed he can lose every single game and you would still want him here. Your intentions are not pure.
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I'm also Spurs until the bitter end. I was here before Ange and I'll be here after him. I was Spurs before ENIC and I will be after ENIC as well. I will be ENIC out until the bitter end too.

How the fuck can you claim to know my intentions? Are you stalking me?
 
FightingIllini said:
There either is something distinct about Angeball or there isn't.

If he's just a Pep clone those are a dime a dozen nowadays, why bother persisting through struggles with Ange if he's that replaceable?
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Not what I'm saying but intensity and pressing to dominate field position and control the game is hardly unique to Ange. It all goes back to Cruyff and then Barca and what Pep plays now. They all have quirks but the underlying roots of the game model are very similar.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Wondered the same.

I think there is a case to be made that playing this intense requires players who have that extra level of professionalism and dedication.
Kulusevski has been bionic this season and we know what his attitude is like. Kane learned to be available all the time, Hojberg was mega professional.

Maybe it’s a culture within the playing staff that needs to be developed if you want to play with the intensity to win?
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Fuck knows, I’m sure there’s always something else that’s required or can be used as an excuse as to why it isn’t working! If there is one, don’t worry, THFC will find it! 😂😂😂
 
Richard Arlison said:
Not what I'm saying but intensity and pressing to dominate field position and control the game is hardly unique to Ange. It all goes back to Cruyff and then Barca and what Pep plays now. They all have quirks but the underlying roots of the game model are very similar.
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There's absolutely a unifying philosophy to all of it.

At the margin though, Ange is less willing than other similar managers to trim the sails of his tactics in moments where goal prevention raises in importance versus goal scoring, and those tactics are more aggressive about pushing players into positions where they are vulnerable and face longer distances to recover when losing possession. (Pep's fullbacks are not habitually making runs to the opposing goalposts by design, Ange's are.)

It's at the margins of a consistent philosophy, but it *IS* a difference.

Is the constant counterattack vulnerability too much to survive? Does it cause physical burnout to players that's too much to survive? Does the aggression not generate enough in attack to outweigh those negatives?
 
FightingIllini said:
There's absolutely a unifying philosophy to all of it.

At the margin though, Ange is less willing than other similar managers to trim the sails of his tactics in moments where goal prevention raises in importance versus goal scoring, and those tactics are more aggressive about pushing players into positions where they are vulnerable and face longer distances to recover when losing possession. (Pep's fullbacks are not habitually making runs to the opposing goalposts by design, Ange's are.)

It's at the margins of a consistent philosophy, but it *IS* a difference.
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FightingIllini said:
Is the constant counterattack vulnerability too much to survive?
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IMO a fair question and clearly Ange is willing to live or die by risking this. He wants the players to have a mentality of killing games with goals not sitting deep. I would argue that he might not be wrong when you look at how poor we were at soaking up pressure under Jose, Conte, Nuno and even under Ange in the Wolves second half and scum first half BUT we are losing shitloads of games and sitting 15th, so there is no point making that argument atm.

FightingIllini said:
Does it cause physical burnout to players that's too much to survive?
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Personally I don't think the data on recovery sprints back up the answer to this being yes. Our burn out is exclusively from squad depth issues with the subsequent injuries causing a cascading effect.

Now, you could argue that we aren't the type of club who would ever invest in the required squad depth but then why did they hire a coach who is fucking reliant on it to win?

FightingIllini said:
Does the aggression not generate enough in attack to outweigh those negatives?
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Right now, clearly not. When enough players are fit and in form, I think clearly it does generate enough.

Overall Ange is live by the sword and die by the sword. He's dying atm but not dead yet.
 
Deuterz said:
Yes, I understand that the manager has had a high amount of injuries and as a manager has not coped with that to any reasonable level of competency. The players he has left are not the 18th best set of players in the league, he just hasn't done management stuff.

We weren't doing ok. Go back and look at our form the second half of last season + the start this season. It was pitifully poor. For about a year and a half Ange's PPG has been dismal, the worst of any Spurs coach ever. We were mediocre pre injuries and diabolical post injuries.

We signed a keeper people rate and who actually saved us repeatedly against Everton and were still 3-0 down. We didn't have to play Gray, we had Davies/Dragusin available, two men. And the "boy" himself started all of last season for a top championship side, against men. He was excellent.

Ange is failing. Of course injuries = context. Of course the squad isn't equipped well enough. And of course the coach is not dealing with the crisis acceptably. He is paid to manage, which means making adjustments. What did Klopp do when Liverpool had a crap keeper and zero fit first team centre backs? They ground out points on the way to 4th. They didn't fall apart and finish 15th. This is the gap between a manager and a cheerleader.
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Anyone comparing Ange to Klopp at this point needs their head examined. He’s not a Klopp level elite manager.

What Liverpool season are you talking about btw?
When Van Djyk did his ACL? Or a different season?
 
kingdawson said:
right ok....and?

I don't get what your point is? you're saying because it's a football forum you can lie about opinion? you can troll?

This is a Tottenham Hotspur Forum where regardless of the various characters we all should have one hope which is for the club to be performing at the very best.

You and Richard Arlison Richard Arlison (who has now basically said he can lose every game and it still wouldn't change his mind) gave an opinion as to what Ange has to do to survive and you both clearly stated what you felt...he fails at the very first hurdle and you guys are on here again arguing to others about the same thing like you didn't make those comments and that result didn't happen.
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Between malice, stupidity, and deliberate misrepresentation, incredible feats of logic have been accomplished on this forum.

There must be a certain percentage of the human population genetically predestined to be rhetorically sophisticated contrarian misanthropes. As an honest poster posting in good faith this will annoy you to no end.
 
Shadydan said:
Alright Vicario calm down
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I don't necessarily disagree with you- you're free to choose whatever opinion you want, and change your mind as much as you want. It's funny as hell though for you to say that though! "Sir, this is a Wendy's".

People paying attention here, who are capable of sifting through the rhetorical quicksands and statistical manipulation, surely have a general idea of the score though.

I wish all the Ange in folks a lot of luck- just like Arne Slot did- I really hope they all win a trophy.
 
bk_spur said:
I don't necessarily disagree with you- you're free to choose whatever opinion you want, and change your mind as much as you want. It's funny as hell though for you to say that though! "Sir, this is a Wendy's".

People paying attention here, who are capable of sifting through the rhetorical quicksands and statistically manipulation, surely have a general idea of the score though.

I wish all the Ange in folks a lot of luck- just like Arne Slot did- I really hope they all win a trophy.
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Brother you have a special place in my heart because I clearly have a special place in yours, good day x
 
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