Quite funny. Decent bloke. Wish to God he was as good a coach.
All I want is success
He could be Kermit the frog for all I care.
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Quite funny. Decent bloke. Wish to God he was as good a coach.
All I want is success
He could be Kermit the frog for all I care.
I have already put the trolling unit consisting of
Shadydan
and
Richard Arlison
on ignore some time ago.
If we just had two wingers as good at football as these two clowns spamming this forum to death, we would win the treble.
Shadydan
and
Richard Arlison
on ignore some time ago. If we just had two wingers as good at football as these two clowns spamming this forum to death, we would win the treble.
I have already put the trolling unit consisting of
If we just had two wingers as good at football as these two clowns spamming this forum to death, we would win the treble.
Alexa: Can you please define the words echo chamber...
If Ange could win us a cup (or "more"!
) - doing something that Conte, Mourinho, Poch, and Harry Redknapp couldn't do - then I don't understand why he wouldn't be able to lead us to Top 4? Seems a rather bizarre disqualification especially as to win Trophies you generally have to beat several of the best teams in Europe to do so.Of course, it's far more likely that he won't win anything and be sacked so it becomes a rather moot point.
The thing is though, an approach of "damn the torpedoes, forget controlling the game, just generate more chances and it will all work out" is much better optimized to succeed over a 38 game league season than a knockout cup competition.If Ange could win us a cup (or "more"!
Of course, it's far more likely that he won't win anything and be sacked so it becomes a rather moot point.
I think you just need to look at Juande Ramos to see how a trophy doesn't paper over league form.If Ange could win us a cup (or "more"!
Of course, it's far more likely that he won't win anything and be sacked so it becomes a rather moot point.
For sure but if Postecoglou (or any manager for that matter) were to win two trophies in a single season then I think it's a reach to suggest that manager shouldn't be considered capable of achieving 4th place.
How did Rafa go in the league when he was winning trophies with Liverpool? Can't quite remember but I don't really remember them seriously challenging so maybe you're right
A large part of the issue is how the media and, by extension, some of the fanbase have elevated Ange to almost mythical status. He's been pretty much portrayed as this revolutionary figure - a tactical visionary who could transform not only the club but English football as a whole. His success at Celtic, regardless of the differing levels of competition in the Scottish league, was also framed in a way that magnified his accomplishments. The narrative built up around him wasn’t just about winning; it was about how his teams played, his very likeable personality, and his “journey.” Adding onto this, he's got quite the aura about him. The great start we had under him just further enhanced this perception that he was the feggin Neo of super Tottenham, from the lane.None of the context of an injury crisis justifies being 15th. I have already explained why this is, and only a fool would try and argue otherwise. Even reasonable, pro-Ange posters have recognised this.
There is no world in which the team we had out against Everton was bad enough to compete as terribly as we did in that game, with a scoreline that flattered us massively. Nor does anything justify the absolute embarrassment that was the 90 mins vs Tamworth, or the other bazillion crap results beforehand. Nor the woeful end to last season where we were losing every single game with zero injuries. Our start to THIS season with a fully fit squad wasn't good either !!!!
Other, reasonable posters likeMemphisWill have explained this to you repeatedly (incl showing our PPG over the last year and a bloody half!) and you have ignored it because you are intent on defending this man right up until the very moment the board stick a knife in his chest.
With all that hype, as well as that little taster of the heights of what our football could be like at the start of last season, it was enough to get everyone all aboard the hype train, pumped and ready for the journey head. Allowing Ange to be protected from criticism and the sack to a much greater extent relative to form than any other manager I can remember in recent memory.
I think this all accumulatively set up a perception that it was almost divine intervention that he’d eventually, one way or another, replicate his previous successes with us. So naturally the vast majority of our fanbase largely glossed over some of the nuanced concerns about his past like his points per game records at his previous clubs, or how his defensive style might translate to our league.
I think this glamorisation, despite the obvious all too consistent woeful performance almost every other game it soon became, left some of us fans stuck in a sort of trance of self imposed denial, that we’re just a few tweaks or players away from seeing everything eventually click....
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Not great.
Gerard Houllier won cups for fun but never got nywhere in the league and got booted
early on he won a TREBLE
fa cup LC and EUFA cup
Fuck yes I'm having a massive senior moment - it was the Houllier treble I had in mind - again I don't remember them seriously challenging the league so yeah...
We are sat festering in the bottom 6, having picked up a whopping 1 point in 6 games and not only are we talking about winning one but now two trophies?
Lads, I need to know where you're getting your tea. I could really do with some.
Lads, I need to know where you're getting your tea. I could really do with some.
I'll see your measly Carryboo and raise you a CUP TREBLE
For Liverpool
And you lot are wondering why people are calling you a cult. If nothing this man does will make you change your mind, it’s nothing less than fanaticism.
It’s the perfect illustration of how Ange has been elevated in people’s minds to the kind of figure spoken above when in fact he’s done nothing to warrant the faith people have in him to deliver a trophy. I know it’s a mix of hope and desperation and that’s fine, but in all likelihood he’s not going to achieve anything apart from picking up his P45 early next week.
Football is not a results business. Its a sport. If it is a results business, nobody should be happy with anything less than winning the league. And luckily that is obviously not the case. The results business has been used as an argument against Kane being great. He hasnt won any trophies so he is obviously not great. This is exactly what football has become with the huge amounts of money and absolutely no loyalty or idealism. It should not be hard to understand, or atleast accept the very rational reason behind wanting to believe Ange will turn it around. It has nothing to do with following a cult leader or modern influencer kardashian culture or whatever has been mentioned on her. On the other hand, arguing that football is a results business so we must abandon this project as soon as possible and maybe we can get 4th again next season or hoping that your team loses the next match so the manager gets sacked, is in any sport the deadliest sin.
Tbh I watched the press conference and the guy is suffering the same as the fans. This is one brutal run of fuckery. The way he touched his face when he said the club is working hard on transfers... I'm not a professional body language expert but there's something going on BTS for sure.
You mean when he made the wanker sign with his hand
Of course, it's a cult. Being a football fan is fuck all to do with being rational.
If it was about being rational I'd have given up on this club and English football years ago.
As I said in another thread, I'm Ange In until they sack him and I'm Tottenham until I fucking slide off this mortal coil (FFS why couldn't it have been Real Madrid or at least this club in an era when we were worth it).
The amusing thing is watching all the Ange Out crew deluding themselves into thinking football fandom isn't about being in a cult and really they are just being smart by coming in with their amateur analysis about why the manager is really terrible and they know better so it's all his fault.
I mean, you did just type the word "fanaticism" on a chat forum for..... fans.