I think he legit forgets his own arguments when he gets binned, he is such a nonsense.
I thought ONLY POINTS MATTER
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I think he legit forgets his own arguments when he gets binned, he is such a nonsense.
I thought ONLY POINTS MATTER
Then we need to write off judging him for the rest of the season because we will have injuries the rest of the season.We struggled with them in the 2nd half, they struggled with us in the first half and yes teams with better players normally beat teams with lesser players, I don't get your point.
I don't think this match should be indicative of our manager in any case, there are criticisms with the way we handled the 2nd half but let's cut some slack because of the personnel we had missing and the fact that the players were dead on their feet.
I can take constructive criticism but you're just doing way too much.
Lets cherry pick which games we judge him on to only the ones he has won.
Lets just wait and judge him when he gets a perfect storm and the team is allowed to press like mad men again and get a big win.
Lets put our fingers in our ears and pretend we are not just 8 points above the relegation zone because Ange Postecoglou has had too many injuries. That does not buy in that to the narrative that we have a coach that has rewrote the way football is played. That this genius has 1 more point than AVB did when he got sacked. The genius that has managed 3 more losses than either Mourinho or Conte.
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Hold up??, you are the one that just said that we can't judge Man City because they have an injury crisis and yet you're out here judging Ange for the same thing albeit worse, what?
This debate stemmed from the fact that you tried to downplay our win against City, no one is bigging up our record in the other matches, you're the one who is moving the goalposts of the initial argument about that particular isolated match against City, not anyone else.
You guys should learn to be a bit more objective in your appraisal because you end up tying yourself in knots and speak a load of shite.
Hold up??, you are the one that just said that we can't judge Man City because they have an injury crisis and yet you're out here judging Ange for the same thing albeit worse, what?
This debate stemmed from the fact that you tried to downplay our win against City, no one is bigging up our record in the other matches, you're the one who is moving the goalposts of the initial argument about that particular isolated match against City, not anyone else.
You guys should learn to be a bit more objective in your appraisal because you end up tying yourself in knots and speak a load of shite.
I am saying that if you are one of the fans that talk about his ceiling that game should be ignored. The home game in the Carabou Cup cup was a much better win even though we lost Van der Ven that day. Taking a game where City were in the worst form they have been in under Pep and had an injury crisis means it should be held as an outlier in the data..
Hold up??, you are the one that just said that we can't judge Man City because they have an injury crisis and yet you're out here judging Ange for the same thing albeit worse, what?
This debate stemmed from the fact that you tried to downplay our win against City, no one is bigging up our record in the other matches, you're the one who is moving the goalposts of the initial argument about that particular isolated match against City, not anyone else.
You guys should learn to be a bit more objective in your appraisal because you end up tying yourself in knots and speak a load of shite.
There is plenty to say was great about the away performance:
1. Ange adapted to the opposition.
2. Kulu was incredible
3. Vicario was incredible even with a broken ankle.
4. Like many of our big wins Madders was incredible in midfield.
The problem I have with people saying it is our ceiling performance under Ange is that is a one off win with many off setting circumstances that means we should ignore this as our ceiling.
He forgets his points when he’s binned but still charges back to post as soon as he’s allowed back in because someone has to hold people who post on a chat forum accountable for the performance of the players on the pitch.I think he legit forgets his own arguments when he gets binned, he is such a nonsense.
I thought ONLY POINTS MATTER
I don't agree with discounting any competitive games from an assessment - all should be included.
A supposed "high ceiling" isn't worth much at all if the average level is poor, which it is.
That said, I'm relieved we are likely into the R16 of the EL. There is just a chance we get our shit together a bit more and do something in this comp. But we will need to play a lot better than last night.
It wasn’t a one off win if you yourself are saying the previous time we beat them was a better performance
Then add that one but we still are cherry picking I still feel the win is more an anomaly point in the data which distorts the picture but that is my opinion I will stop arguing because it is Matt Hayes original point.
Personally I don't understand why Ange is still here because his weaknesses far outweigh his strengths. I just feel Levy is writing a season off for a 4th/5th time.
All I’m saying is we have seen elite level performances against the very best teams. Those are the ceiling of this project.
The problem is that we’ve seen a very low floor against Ipswich and the average atm is miles off the ceiling.
You acknowledge that we beat City at home in the Carabao cup in which Haaland didn't play and by all account was a match 'they didn't take seriously' yet you want to ignore a match against them 3 weeks later where they played a stronger team despite having an 'injury crisis' where we managed to end City's 52 match unbeaten run and despite us missing Romero, VDV and Bentancur.
That's some stinky ass agenda you got there.
There aren't any evAngelists.
Why don't you wind your neck in and stop posting on this forum where you're not wanted.
The true ceiling is defined by consistently winning, regardless of how we play. Flashy performances can happen with any team, but they don’t matter if we can’t sustain success over time.
Disagree.
Ceiling is your best, floor is your worst, average is your consistent level.
That definition oversimplifies the reality of winning a league. The ceiling isn’t just about your best moments; it’s about how high your consistent level can be. Sustained success over a season isn’t built on isolated peaks but on minimizing the gap between your floor and average.
The games we win big in we usually score a few close together and the other lot get demoralised.
Spurs under Ange can't defend and concede easy goals by pushing up too many players; especially the full backs.
It has been an increasingly deteriorating situation, regarding conceding shit goals; so much so Spurs now often need 3 goals to draw a game.
It's actually become quite demoralising how shit Spurs are in respect of preventing the opposition from scoring.
We give goals away for nothing.
I cannot believe Ange will be Spurs manager next season because of this.
Keeping him here until the end of the season is looking more and more like Spurs writing off the season altogether.
It also saves Levy money.
Winning against Leicester is not enough for me regarding Ange.
If Spurs concede more than one goal at home to Leicester, or fail to win by more than 2 goals; Ange should be relieved of his duties in my opinion.
Watching Spurs concede 5 goals to Everton and Hoffenheim has finished me.
We gave Hoffenheim 23 attempts at goal.
That is just shit.
All sides and all poor managers can get the odd good performance and result. Seen some great performances from Ardiles, Gross and Ramos teams. All a bit meaningless if that doesnt signal any form of consistant improvement. Every really good performance and result under Ange since the first 10 has been followed by a complete shitshow. This style of football wont ever win you 5 or 6 on the bounce in the premier league. Again its 13 months since we won 3 on the trot. The only consistant aspects are the amount of defeats, 16 in 29 and that we barely ever keep a clean sheet, 5 in 33 games.
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I agree, the consistent performance level is what wins you the league. And we need ours to reach the level of our ceiling almost every week if we want to even have a chance
I would happily take any win of any kind on the weekend considering how knackered those players were last night