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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Sir Archibald Crooks said:
All sides and all poor managers can get the odd good performance and result. Seen some great performances from Ardiles, Gross and Ramos teams. All a bit meaningless if that doesnt signal any form of consistant improvement. Every really good performance and result under Ange since the first 10 has been followed by a complete shitshow. This style of football wont ever win you 5 or 6 on the bounce in the premier league. Again its 13 months since we won 3 on the trot. The only consistant aspect is the amount of defeats, 16 in 29.
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It's built on sand isn't it?

I've started to realise that all the while our defenders have stopped focussing on defending first and foremost the more goals Spurs seem to concede.

Without Solanke I doubt this team can outscore many of the teams Spurs have left to play.

Levy needs to do something in my opinion.

Sentiment for Ange could get Spurs into big trouble unless there is a rapid change in fortunes.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I would happily take any win of any kind on the weekend considering how knackered those players were last night
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Knackered my arse.

Don't believe the hype.

Some of these players are just not good enough and the manager's tactics are leaving their weakness exposed.

Many were astounded when Porro was left out of the Spain national team in the summer.

Since the Tamworth winger had Porro's pants down it has become obvious he isn't good enough for the Premier League; never mind Spain.
 
Richard Arlison said:
I agree, the consistent performance level is what wins you the league. And we need ours to reach the level of our ceiling almost every week if we want to even have a chance
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The ceiling is often against sides who come at us. This side playing Angeball is incredibly dangerous against space.

The floor is we have terrible forwards when you sit back and deny them space. They are bumbling fuckfits when you ask them that question.

The question is do we bring in a more pragmatic manager and play more on the counter to better suit our players? Or do we bring in some midfielders and forwards with better technique and decision making to open up deep and well-set defences?
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
The ceiling is often against sides who come at us. This side playing Angeball is incredibly dangerous against space.

The floor is we have terrible forwards when you sit back and deny them space. They are bumbling fuckfits when you ask them that question.

The question is do we bring in a more pragmatic manager and play more on the counter to better suit our players? Or do we bring in some midfielders and forwards with better technique and decision making to open up deep and well-set defences?
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Absolutely and my answer is absolutely bring in the players to solve that problem. We need way more players to be suited to sitting deep and counter attacking.

None of our defenders are suited to that and none of our midfielders are proper defensive midfielders.

And it’s not even what this club was built on. We know who this club is and lest we forget some clown like Jamie Carragher will smugly remind us. Let’s fucking own it and really go after being the best version of that. If we win, I honestly don’t care if we concede goals.
 
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Don’t worry Ange. Levy’s at your back!
 
Kosher Kid said:
Knackered my arse.

Don't believe the hype.

Some of these players are just not good enough and the manager's tactics are leaving their weakness exposed.

Many were astounded when Porro was left out of the Spain national team in the summer.

Since the Tamworth winger had Porro's pants down it has become obvious he isn't good enough for the Premier League; never mind Spain.
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Whatever

If you didn’t see knackered players last night then you were choosing to stay ignorant to what was right in front of your eyes
 
Rebrov_Likes said:
The ceiling is often against sides who come at us. This side playing Angeball is incredibly dangerous against space.

The floor is we have terrible forwards when you sit back and deny them space. They are bumbling fuckfits when you ask them that question.

The question is do we bring in a more pragmatic manager and play more on the counter to better suit our players? Or do we bring in some midfielders and forwards with better technique and decision making to open up deep and well-set defences?
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I wouldn't say we are terrible at attacking teams that sit back I would say we just don't. I watched Kulu yesterday on an attack instead of taking the risky pass or a cross on the edge of Hoffenheim area pass it to Dragusin who then went back to Austin. The fact is we do not take risks and just recycle the ball too often to keep possession.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Absolutely and my answer is absolutely bring in the players to solve that problem. We need way more players to be suited to sitting deep and counter attacking.

None of our defenders are suited to that and none of our midfielders are proper defensive midfielders.

And it’s not even what this club was built on. We know who this club is and lest we forget some clown like Jamie Carragher will smugly remind us. Let’s fucking own it and really go after being the best version of that. If we win, I honestly don’t care if we concede goals.
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Losing games ruins football clubs.

Conceding goals is hurting Spurs.

Spurs need 4 goals every game to win under Ange.

It's not sustainable beyond the end of the season.

We are now flirting with relegation to chase what many once regarded as Mickey Mouse trophies.

There's an inevitability about how this season is going to unfold.

Spurs under Ange are inconsistent within games and game to game.

That is not a culture of winning.

Belief in it looks increasingly futile.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Losing games ruins football clubs.

Conceding goals is hurting Spurs.

Spurs need 4 goals every game to win under Ange.

It's not sustainable beyond the end of the season.

We are now flirting with relegation to chase what many once regarded as Mickey Mouse trophies.

There's an inevitability about how this season is going to unfold.

Spurs under Ange are inconsistent within games and game to game.

That is not a culture of winning.

Belief in it looks increasingly futile.
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Right now we are in a tough patch. There is a character and togetherness being built by that.

When we are putting together wins again that character and togetherness will be MASSSIVE for the culture of this team.

The recent run has cost us the league already but we still have 3 other competitions to try and win.
 
Any striker's ceiling is that one match in his career where he scored a hattrick. Any keeper's ceiling is the one where he saved not one but two penalties. There's no substance to this kind of an argument, it's purely based on semantics. No sane person evaluates players in this manner, why should it be any different for managers?

The idea that better attackers would allow us to put matches to bed by giving us 3-4 goal leads before HTs comes up often, but I don't see why this should be a prerequisite for winning consistently. Major comebacks are extremely rare in football, simply due to the fact that scoring a goal is way more difficult than preventing one. That's why in most cases a "mere" two goal lead is entirely safe. Not when you don't know how to take the sting out of the match by sitting back and absorbing the pressure without crumbling though.

At a certain point, trying to score even more at the expense of taking risks at the back becomes counterproductive. High risk, low reward. It's the total opposite for the team doing the chasing. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. To the extent that Ange refuses to acknowledge these simple shifts in risk-reward ratios based on the circumstances of a given match, he'll never amount to much at this level. No matter how high his "ceiling" as a manager is.
 
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Richard Arlison said:
Right now we are in a tough patch. There is a character and togetherness being built by that.

When we are putting together wins again that character and togetherness will be MASSSIVE for the culture of this team.

The recent run has cost us the league already but we still have 3 other competitions to try and win.
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I admire your continuing belief in that theory.

I really do.

What I see is a team that give away too many easy chances and concede poor goals, to average opposition.

It just seems obvious to me that once this Spurs team are faced with better quality opposition, regardless of whether we have players back from injury, that away from home we will still probably lose most games and at home we may win enough to stay up.

Is that what we want going forward and was that the expectancy at the start of this season?

Losing these games, and conceding shit goals, in the manner Spurs have been, is just serving the interests of the ownership.

It's lowering your expectation level to just being glad to have avoided relegation by the end of the season.

That's where we are.

Supporters of many other clubs would not accept this in the manner we at Spurs are at the moment.

The reduction of investment in quality players on higher wages is the reason Spurs are in this mess.
 
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Kosher Kid said:
I admire your continuing belief in that theory.

I really do.

What I see is a team that give away too many easy chances and concede poor goals, to average opposition.

It just seems obvious to me that once this Spurs team are faced with better quality opposition, regardless of whether we have players back from injury, that away from home we will still probably lose most games and at home we may win enough to stay up.

Is that what we want going forward and was that the expectancy at the start of this season?

Losing these games, and conceding shit goals, in the manner Spurs have been, is just serving the interests of the ownership.

It's lowering your expectation level to just being glad to have avoided relegation by the end of the season.

That's where we are.

Supporters of many other clubs would not accept this in the manner we at Spurs are at the moment.

The reduction of investment in player wages is the reason Spurs are in this mess.
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Ok
 
BJK said:
Any striker's ceiling is that one match in his career where he scored a hattrick. Any keeper's ceiling is the one where he saved not one but two penalties. There's no substance to this kind of an argument, it's purely based on semantics. No sane person evaluates players in this manner, why should it be any different for managers?

The idea that better attackers would allow us to put matches to bed by giving us 3-4 goal leads before HTs comes up often, but I don't see why this should be a prerequisite for winning consistently. Major comebacks are extremely rare in football, simply due to the fact that scoring a goal is way more difficult than preventing one. That's why in most cases a "mere" two goal lead is entirely safe. Not when you don't know how to take the sting out the match by sitting back and absorbing the pressure without crumbling though.

At a certain point, trying to score even more at the expense of taking risks at the back becomes counterproductive. High risk, low reward. It's the total opposite for the team doing the chasing. Nothing to lose, everything to gain. To the extent that Ange refuses to acknowledge these simple shifts in risk-reward ratios based on the circumstances of a given match, he'll never amount to much at this level. No matter how high his "ceiling" as a manager is.
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I would argue that quite often we don't even take those risks to try and score. In too many situations where there is a shooting chance (Bar Porro) or a chance to play a difficult pass into the box I see us decide to protect the ball and recycle it back to the keeper.
 
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