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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
MemphisWill said:
Financially we will be hamstrung (pun intended) by this era for years beyond this one. The last accounts we published included a record breaking loss for the club. The next accounts, covering 23-24 with no Europe will break that record. The accounts after that, with only EL revenue and likely finishing below 12th, will be close to a record breaking financial loss. The accounts after that, covering 25-26 with mo European competition revenue will likely set a new record financial loss.

At one time we had a lot of PSR runway. We've fucked that, and done it without overspending like Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa, Everton, etc. We're going to be making decisions on players based as much on PSR as squad needs soon, and it's going to be down to how disastrous the past 18 months have been.
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Mate it is all bullshit accounting it is easy to manipulate but Levy is happy depreciating the stadium at an above average rate.
 
Klaus said:
Poch had us 2nd and into a CL final. Emery took Villa from relegation to the Champions League. Eddie Howe took Bournemouth up 4 divisions, and Newcastle from relegation favourites to top 4. The right manager can do a lot. Winning something major under this ownership isn't unfathomable, it just requires them lucking out on the right manager. Which they've done about three times in 20 years so I don't hold out much faith in it.
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Levy's current form for managerial picks is terrible.

He is yesterday's man.

I think he knows it too.
 
MemphisWill said:
In one aspect, I'm starting to feel a little bad for Ange.



He doesn't deserve the Judas treatment, and I don't blame him for not quitting, I wouldn't either, but I can't think of anyone other than Judas associated with the club in the past 25 years I'd be less likely to give a hand shake.
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I dont think Ange set out to do us wrong, whereas David Bentley, Darren Bent, Ndombele, Aurier, Conte are way ahead in my list of tossers associated with the club in the last 25 years.
 
NorthernSpur said:
Poch used to struggle to make timely substitutions too but people forget about that.
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Oh no!! Not the "untimely substitutions"!!! Whatever next?

If you'd read the post properly the guy started off by saying "Poch had his faults". Everyone knows he wasn't perfect. The man thinks lemons are magic ffs. But the fact is he had us in 2nd place with an 86 point season while this chancer has us staring down the barrel of relegation. There are levels to this. Give me lemons and some occasional slow substitutions every day of the fucking week.
 
MemphisWill said:
In one aspect, I'm starting to feel a little bad for Ange.

If Levy had sacked him when he should have been sacked, after Ipswich, I would have thought "well there goes a man who flew too close to the sun. A victim of the Peter Principle, promoted beyond his capabilities, but he had an idea and he sure gave it a go."

By keeping him this long and letting him utterly destroy our season, our squad, and create financial repercussions that we will be dealing with for years after he is gone, any vestiges of good will are gone. He's the worst manager we have had in the past quarter century plus, and we'll be dealing with the fallout of this disaster for years.

He doesn't deserve the Judas treatment, and I don't blame him for not quitting, I wouldn't either, but I can't think of anyone other than Judas associated with the club in the past 25 years I'd be less likely to give a hand shake.
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It's not Ange's fault he was given the opportunity.

He had to have a go at it.

We know who is to blame.

The delay is the bit that you will be angry about next week.
 
Klaus said:
I just don't understand why though? Surely he understands better than anyone the finances involved in having a bad season? The lost TV money, lost commercial revenue - all of that dwarfs whatever we'd be paying to Ange. Don't buy it.
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This is why I don't go in for a lot of the Levy criticism. A lot of it drips with poison, obviously frustrated and exasperated supporters concoction ideas that ENIC/Levy must be doing all of this out of spite and because they don't care about what happens on the pitch.

The real answer is simpler - Levy is just not a good chairman. And he works for someone, Lewis, who truly doesn't give a fuck so long as the financials look good and the club's value is appreciating at a pace which significantly outpaces the interest charged by the banks extending him credit to float around the Caribbean on. So as long as Levy keeps the financials in order for Joe, he gets to keep trying to get the football right.

But he keeps fucking it up, because he's not a good chairman and has no instincts or conviction about football. That's why we keep learching from one extreme to the other, and always missing the mark.
 
MemphisWill said:
I don't think Levy makes a single decision with concern of what supporters think. I think we wish he would, so many project that onto him and think his decisions are Machiavellian schemes to keep supporters onside and paying for tickets. The man isn't vain like Sugar, he doesn't give a fuck what supporters think.

I think he's held onto Ange so long largely because Nuno has Forest humming and he probably regrets taking Conte's bait and dismissing Nuno so quickly, and believes that was a mistake. I think he figured that, rather than let Ange go so quickly he'd give him some time to prove he could turn it around. We got stuck in this good-bad-good-bad-bad-good-bad results cycle and Levy couldn't make his mind up to take action. Then the clock struck January and January is just a terrible time to sack a manager, particularly if you need players.

Further, now that we've got a lead in the LC Semifinal he's being haunted by the 2nd ghost of sackings past - sacking Mourinho before the LC final.

So I don't think it's a Machiavellian scheme to redirect supporters' anger, it's just the same incompetent lack of conviction and timing we've seen from him in the past. These are the decisions he struggles with, the tasks that he does not handle well. He's indecisive in general, and when he's decisive about football matters he's usually been wrong.
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I think he's likely done the numbers and knows we will need around and about 3 wins from the last 15 games to stay up. I think your reasoning holds weight, it's a pretty fair and logical explanation of the current turn of events we see before us. But there is no doubt in my mind that he has emergency candidates at the ready on speed dial if we don't get a win in the next 3 games, January or not, if he doesn't get some points on the board PRONTO he will be receiving his P45 via amazon prime SAME DAY delivery (as it's London after all!)
 
MiddxSpur said:
I dont think Ange set out to do us wrong, whereas David Bentley, Darren Bent, Ndombele, Aurier, Conte are way ahead in my list of tossers associated with the club in the last 25 years.
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I think there was something wrong with Ndombele, honestly. I think he was lost in London, combination of culture shock, loneliness, and a fat paycheque. Seems to be doing alright again now that he's back home in France.

Agree on Conte, below Ange on my list. Set out to scam us from the beginning.
 
dudu said:
People forget in 2016/17 the premier league was not competitive - absolutely nothing like it is now - the gap from 5th-10th was 30 points..... the gap from 10th - 18th was 10.

75% of the teams back then were absolute cannon fodder for a decent side.

The current gap between 5th & 10th is 8 points. FML we are closer to 5th in 15th by much less than 10th was back at the end of 2016/17.

This is not the same league, Poch wouldn't be able to reproduce what he did back then with us now.
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It was competitive back then as it is now. Some sides get better, others don’t. Fucking Forest are 3rd in the league after almost getting relegated last season. Man City are 6th. United are shit. If we had a proper season we could’ve sneaked into top 4 taking advantage of the poor season City have. When City rebuild and Newcastle will spend some more money, we won’t sniff that Champions League football for a long time.
 
Kosher Kid said:
Levy sticks by a manager who got him into a relegation battle but sacked a manager who got him 4 consecutive Champions League qualifications, two title challenges and a Champions League final.

Why does Levy do these things?

What is the common theme that motivates these decisions?
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I'm telling ya - he's under a spell. He's in the same cult as all the other mugs who think Ange is capable.
 
MemphisWill said:
I don't think Levy makes a single decision with concern of what supporters think. I think we wish he would, so many project that onto him and think his decisions are Machiavellian schemes to keep supporters onside and paying for tickets. The man isn't vain like Sugar, he doesn't give a fuck what supporters think.

I think he's held onto Ange so long largely because Nuno has Forest humming and he probably regrets taking Conte's bait and dismissing Nuno so quickly, and believes that was a mistake. I think he figured that, rather than let Ange go so quickly he'd give him some time to prove he could turn it around. We got stuck in this good-bad-good-bad-bad-good-bad results cycle and Levy couldn't make his mind up to take action. Then the clock struck January and January is just a terrible time to sack a manager, particularly if you need players.

Further, now that we've got a lead in the LC Semifinal he's being haunted by the 2nd ghost of sackings past - sacking Mourinho before the LC final.

So I don't think it's a Machiavellian scheme to redirect supporters' anger, it's just the same incompetent lack of conviction and timing we've seen from him in the past. These are the decisions he struggles with, the tasks that he does not handle well. He's indecisive in general, and when he's decisive about football matters he's usually been wrong. Which is a negative feedback loop and just makes him more indecisive.
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It's far simpler than that.

Levy is a cheap bastard when it comes to the players wages, transfers and managerial appointments.

Levy will hire what he can get away with, at any given time, based on what it will cost.

The Spurs support were not ready for Nuno when he attempted to pull that off.

It was too soon after the highs under Poch and the expectation under Jose. Nuno looked cheap once Spurs lost a few games and Levy had read the room wrong. When the crowd turned on Levy, after the 10th game under Nuno against United, he went back to Conte.

By the time he window dressed Ange as a 'project' we were ready to accept anything that wasn't dull.

Levy is cheap with everything if he can get away with it.

Apart from his own remuneration and the WHL ticket prices of course.
 
MemphisWill said:
Financially we will be hamstrung (pun intended) by this era for years beyond this one. The last accounts we published included a record breaking loss for the club. The next accounts, covering 23-24 with no Europe will break that record. The accounts after that, with only EL revenue and likely finishing below 12th, will be close to a record breaking financial loss. The accounts after that, covering 25-26 with mo European competition revenue will likely set a new record financial loss.

At one time we had a lot of PSR runway. We've fucked that, and done it without overspending like Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa, Everton, etc. We're going to be making decisions on players based as much on PSR as squad needs soon, and it's going to be down to how disastrous the past 18 months have been.
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So why weren’t we hamstrung for years by the last time we missed out on Europe? Which was Ange’s first season after we split up with Conte?
 
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