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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
How much rotation did Conte do?

Have issues with Ange, his system, his gamble on recruiting young but just making bold statements like "any competent coach would have rotated better" isn't based on reality. Some coaches rotate more than others, competence doesn't really factor into it.
To be fair Conte had a far, far worse squad than Ange, we still had prime Son and Kane papering over the cracks big time.

Also Conte did rotate quite a bit, certainly more than Ange when he had a full squad available. A good example actually is the Southampton game where he lost his job, Kulu and Bentancur started that game on the bench in favour of Winks and Lucas, who were certainly bench players at the time. I think Conte's big meltdown really came as a reaction to the fact that he wasn't able to rotate properly to the extent a manager of a top four side should, whenever the first XI was weakened even slightly we looked an entirely different, much worse team. Conte still tried to rotate, though, he just took the bad results that came as a cost of it.
 
Was thinking about my previous post , can anyone think of any instances from a football perspective where Levy has shown an aptitude to learn from his mistakes . I’m not talking about law of averages eventually getting something right

He has had 35 years in the business and 25 years with us so the list should be very extensive . I’ll start us off

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Not just me that’s struggling to come up with an example then
 
To be fair Conte had a far, far worse squad than Ange, we still had prime Son and Kane papering over the cracks big time.

That's a nice excuse but rotation is rotation and if we hold Ange accountable for this squad construction then the same is true for Conte.

Also Conte did rotate quite a bit, certainly more than Ange when he had a full squad available.

Honestly I remember the pure depression of how predictable his team selections were. Maybe he was right though because when he did finally rotate:

A good example actually is the Southampton game where he lost his job, Kulu and Bentancur started that game on the bench in favour of Winks and Lucas, who were certainly bench players at the time.

I think Conte's big meltdown really came as a reaction to the fact that he wasn't able to rotate properly to the extent a manager of a top four side should, whenever the first XI was weakened even slightly we looked an entirely different, much worse team. Conte still tried to rotate, though, he just took the bad results that came as a cost of it.

I remember reading that Conte hardly rotated at Inter either and he had a reputation for winning leagues when he was out fo Europe already, or not doing great in Europe because all the energy went on the league. He is very much a starting 11 tyoe of coach with very very minimal rotation around the edges. He has guys he trusts and that is who is playing 95% of the time.
 
Ange needs to be sacked NOW and Mason take over so Levy can start his methodical and thorough search for a replacement right away.

Levy had to undertake a 72 day search to find Nuno after sacking Jose and then another 72 days to find Ange after Conte.

Our manager position is going to be an even tougher sell to any decent manager now so I think a search is likely to take even longer this time - So Ange needs to go NOW so the official search can begin with Levy carefully compiling a list of candidates then putting out feelers to the agents/people of the potential hires.

Wait until the end the season to sack Ange and we get another 72 day or longer search - Not good … but on the plus side it will mean Levy saves on a new manager’s wage during the off-season …
 
Terzic was criticized quite heavily of boring football before he left, if he was to come in would be quite interesting to see fan reaction to us being a tight team to beat but quite boring

Agree but still, if they are going to do it, he is one of the most feasible candidates. Maybe THE most feasible.

Ange isn't being sacked anyway so guess it doesn't matter. I even have a feeling that Levy might keep him for a 3rd season, he really likes him

We are almost certainly missing Europe from the league, so if Levy does stick by Ange now, he'd need to win EL to keep his job. Levy hates missing out on Europe.
 
Really need players back, if only to have a clearer bearing on whether or not it’s the injuries that’s the main problem. I have my own doubts over the sustainability of Ange’s approach, especially in the Premiership and with our ownership, but the Ange In/Ange Out thing will drag on until we can see an extended run and results with a more healthy squad.
We already have plenty of evidence the injuries are not the problem.

This bullshit that Ange is peddling is little more than a very poor excuse for his own ineptitude and sadly people are buying it.

Maybe even the chairman is? Although my thoughts are the only reason he is still here comes down to finances.
 
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That's a nice excuse but rotation is rotation and if we hold Ange accountable for this squad construction then the same is true for Conte.


Honestly I remember the pur depression of how predictable his team selections were. Maybe he was right though because when he did finally rotate:





I remember reading that Conte hardly rotated at Inter either and he had a reputation for winning leagues when he was out fo Europe already, or not doing great in Europe because all the energy went on the league. He is very much a starting 11 tyoe of coach with very very minimal rotation around the edges. He has guys he trusts and that is who is playing 95% of the time.
No don't agree with that at all.

Ange was the one that specifically wanted young players and pushed for us to get them. He got what he wanted and we spent shitloads on these players.

Conte didn't get any of the players he wanted bar Perisic (and maybe Richi but that's debatable) . He got Lenglet on loan over Bastoni, he clearly didn't ask for Bissouma, he wanted a proven right wing back and Levy insisted on Spence, Kulu and Bentancur were Paratici punts from his former club and he wanted another attacking player and got Danjuma on loan. It didnt even look like he really wanted Romero either.


Not comparable at all.
 
How much rotation did Conte do?

Have issues with Ange, his system, his gamble on recruiting young but just making bold statements like "any competent coach would have rotated better" isn't based on reality. Some coaches rotate more than others, competence doesn't really factor into it.
In fairness Conte plays park the bus/terrorist football with little pressing, no high line, and alot less intensity … so not as much need for rotation … Conte’s football is terrible to watch and makes you want to kill yourself but that’s a different issue.
 
No don't agree with that at all.

Ange was the one that specifically wanted young players and pushed for us to get them. He got what he wanted and we spent shitloads on these players.

Conte didn't get any of the players he wanted bar Perisic (and maybe Richi but that's debatable) . He got Lenglet on loan over Bastoni, he clearly didn't ask for Bissouma, he wanted a proven right wing back and Levy insisted on Spence, Kulu and Bentancur were Paratici punts from his former club and he wanted another attacking player and got Danjuma on loan. It didnt even look like he really wanted Romero either.


Not comparable at all.

I don’t disagree with that but the same way Ange wanted Gallagher, Eze and Neto.

The fact that he was pushing to go with young players when those transfers couldn’t happen is the gamble that is costing him atm.
 
In fairness Conte plays park the bus/terrorist football with little pressing, no high line, and alot less intensity … so not as much need for rotation … Conte’s football is terrible to watch and makes you want to kill yourself but that’s a different issue.

Players run way more in terms of distances playing that type of football because they are constantly chasing shadows. Less sprints, more load on the joints. Like sprint training vs marathon training. Muscle injuries or joint and ligament injuries, you just pick your poison. Professional sport is bad for the human body either way.

The idea that one is less intense than the other is context free, narrative soup.
 
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