yeah I agree, which is why it makes it even stranger that we even gave him a chance!
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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It’s all there in the original quote mate
We're Tottenham supporters, we want what's best for the club. The current 'manager' has had a transient career, not really stayed anywhere much longer than 2 years, he isnt a Tottenham legend and he has zero credit in the bank. The club gave him a chance (wrongly as is now clear) and it hasnt worked. He's had more chances than better managers who did have credit in the bank. If you're not getting results you get sacked, that is the nature of the game.
I dont know how any Tottenham fan and we're talking ones that supported us before 1st June 2023 can look at the state we're in and think yes we need to carry on with this. Levy is a bigger issue but Postecolglou is way out of his league and we need to stop the bleeding.
This is my favourite paragraph.
Where, with a head of steam, he appeals to the emotions of our nearest and dearest, but then forgets to add a verb.
Such passion.
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I didn’t read it to be honest. Was obvious from first para it was nationalist tripe
Is that it, you want to critique his writing skills?
Well done.
He doesn't criticise the owners like Conte, Jose and Poch etc.... So he should be safe for a while.
I don't really know how to evaluate/explain this, it seems to me we are playing differently.
Previously it felt as though we did have a plan, it was flawed but you could see what we were trying to do. With all the injuries, and apparent lesser players coming in, you could expect to see the flaws magnified and the rewards reduced, that would be perfectly understandable.
But now, it feels like we've gone from a flawed plan, to no plan at all.
We're not seeing the same style just executed less well. I watch us and have no idea what we're even doing, worse, I don't think the players do either. We're not gung-ho attacking and shipping goals as a result, we look inept at the back but entirely impotent up top.
We used to have tons of the ball but struggle to break through packed defences, now we can barely string two passes together, nobody seems to run into space to create an option for whoever has the ball, it seems everyone is just sprinting forward with no real plan.
For me it seems like stuff that should be being rectified on the training ground. The Man Utd game should give a strong indication of whether the current coaching team can turn anything around, some players back, 1 week to prepare. If it's still an absolute clusterfuck on Sunday then it doesn't look promising for Ange and his crew.
yeh man it sooooo insane that people want a manager that has spent 400m and got us to 14th place with him being the worst performing spurs manager since the 90s to be sacked.
How dare we expect to not lose to Leicester, Crystal Palace and Ipswich...naughty naughty fanbase.
the usual ... we're great... don't like your weather much .. what do you think of us? but the 'news' source is enough to not bother
It’s actually very mild considering we haven’t been this bad for nearly 30 years and given the fact the manager was already massively under qualified to get the role in the first place.
Not a single other big club (I’m including villa and Newcastle) would accept this, but large portion of our fanbase been brainwashed by this guys PR
Wanting better than 20 defeats in our last 38 league games, god we're so demanding.
Mick, it’s a daft, over the top article that is appealing to emotion rather than common sense.
No one is criticising the youngsters or faulting the effort and application of the players. This is a strawman, largely fabricated by Ange, to deflect from seeing his time at Spurs in the whole. He wants us to focus on the trees and miss the woods.
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Excellent post.
Not only is Ange able to hoodwink gullible kids into signing for us and making them believe its the best option but he's absolutely done a number on our fanbase (and our chairman by the looks of things).
The media generally speaking are the only entity that are absolutely not fooled anymore.
So a manager who isn’t tied up in a contract past this season or a manager of a club who gets relegated.
I don't know why a portion of this fanbase keeps getting worked up over the possibility of managerial change. It's routine stuff, in fact clubs that football fans often envy in terms of how well run they are don't hesitate to pull the plug on their freshly appointed managers all the time. This season alone;
Dortmund sacked Sahin,a longtime former player of theirs mind you, after 6.5 months.
Milan sacked Fonseca, who had replaced their former title winning manager Pioli during the summer, after 6 months.
Roma sacked club legend De Rossi after 8 months, replaced with him Juric, and sacked him after 2 months as well.
Feyenoord sacked Priske after over 7 months.
Managerial change is not inherently destabilizing. Nor is there an arbitrary length of time, measured in years, a manager is owed before he can justifiably be sacked. It's a moot point in the context of this debate anyway, as Ange is already given more than enough time to show his worth.
Dortmund sacked Sahin,a longtime former player of theirs mind you, after 6.5 months.
Milan sacked Fonseca, who had replaced their former title winning manager Pioli during the summer, after 6 months.
Roma sacked club legend De Rossi after 8 months, replaced with him Juric, and sacked him after 2 months as well.
Feyenoord sacked Priske after over 7 months.
Managerial change is not inherently destabilizing. Nor is there an arbitrary length of time, measured in years, a manager is owed before he can justifiably be sacked. It's a moot point in the context of this debate anyway, as Ange is already given more than enough time to show his worth.
The nature of the game is that it's a results-based industry. Any talk of 'projects', 'building' (etc.,) needs to deal with the reality, which is results. Lose too many games and you get sacked.
The only weird thing about this interpretation (with which I otherwise agree) is that I find this guy's PR shocking, the messaging is awful, right down to the ill-fitting suits and bizarre staring at the floor (what's all that about?) Could go on but I have work to do - sick of seeing a club I've thumped loads of time and money into still resembling amateur hour.
There's 2 separate arguments on the injuries.
1) Are they an excuse for poor form/results? - in many games, IMO, yes. Not so much against lower level teams though.
2) Are the injuries a direct result of the style of play of THFC. IMO, this is also a yes.
So you're then in to an endless loop.
Will we get better when we get players back? Yes.
Will we get those players back/for long? Probably not.
What is the solution?
Don't play the style of football that is quite literally injuring players.
Will Ange change it? No
Can Ange change i? Doubt it.
So there is surely only one solution. You get a coach who can nurse the players back to fitness until the end the season season to stabilize things and then start fresh in June.