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Management Ange Postecoglou

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Tony Prawns said:
If we win, despite how you feel about him now, I think Ange will become a club hero. His sentiment amongst fans is at an all time low. But in hindsight I think some will look back at his naivety and call it sheer determination. The guy is a professional bullshitter, maybe one of the best of all time, but I think the history books will call him a hard working dreamer, who through grit and guts got a PL job and took Spurs to a European final. Yes, he is an over-achiever way out of his depth and I want him gone next season, but you have to admire the journey. Just look at the timeline.... Mourinho, Conte, Postecoglou...... he's such an unlikely candidate to give us the trophy we so crave. This situation is absolutely bonkers, he couldn't be more up against the wall. And I wouldn't put it past him to pull it off, I think he's that sort of person. I think he thrives on proving people wrong
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How is Ange a professional bullshitter?

The situation is bonkers, so many 'fans online' are stuck to this idea that we are in a Europa league final in no thanks to the manager. Yet the premier league form is all his fault.

You do not win the amount of games he has for Spurs, score the amount of goals, or reach cup finals, if you have no idea what you are doing or you're a 'bullshitter'.

Fittingly, you only have to look at Gary Neville or Wayne Rooney's managerial record to know what out of your depth looks like.
 
Borks said:
What is the obsession with how many games we've lost? I'm not defending Ange but 8 of them came during that December/January decimated squad period and another 6 in April/May where we've been rightly fielding second strings.

Obviously our league form has been abysmal but anyone focused solely on the number of the losses is one of those Spurs fans who just loves to hate everything and probably wants us to lose tonight so they can moan about the manager and chairman.
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Fuck off... I mean seriously... we use to go through seasons losing 4 or 5 games not so long ago. How anyone can come on here and defend this league season is beyond me. AND FOR THE FINAL TIME!!! Nobody who want's Ange out, want's Spurs to lose tonight. You fuckers keep peddling this bollocks. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
You know, I actually think Ange will keep his job if Spurs win tonight. Here's my thinking.

We're a fickle lot and even when we lose to a bottom club, the next win and we're all happy again. The mood after a win tonight will make us forget the league - it's done now, anyway.

We'll be in the CL and it's a fresh start next season. Sacking Ange will be yet another confirmed Levy managerial failure. And if he wins this trophy, he'll technically be the most successful Spurs manager in years - just can't see Levy sacking him if we win. Imagine congratulating Ange in landing a European trophy, with his P45. I think he'd get a decent transfer window and all finger crossed for a good start in the league. If we win.

If we lose tonight, Ange is gone, either tomorrow or after the Brighton game (most likely).
 
Tony Prawns said:
If we win, despite how you feel about him now, I think Ange will become a club hero. His sentiment amongst fans is at an all time low. But in hindsight I think some will look back at his naivety and call it sheer determination. The guy is a professional bullshitter, maybe one of the best of all time, but I think the history books will call him a hard working dreamer, who through grit and guts got a PL job and took Spurs to a European final. Yes, he is an over-achiever way out of his depth and I want him gone next season, but you have to admire the journey. Just look at the timeline.... Mourinho, Conte, Postecoglou...... he's such an unlikely candidate to give us the trophy we so crave. This situation is absolutely bonkers, he couldn't be more up against the wall. And I wouldn't put it past him to pull it off, I think he's that sort of person. I think he thrives on proving people wrong
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Agree with most of this but there is no universe where Ange will have club hero status, even if we win tonight. He will be the answer to a pub quiz question, much like the manager who was in charge when we last won a trophy.
 
MCSpurs said:
You know, I actually think Ange will keep his job if Spurs win tonight. Here's my thinking.

We're a fickle lot and even when we lose to a bottom club, the next win and we're all happy again. The mood after a win tonight will make us forget the league - it's done now, anyway.

We'll be in the CL and it's a fresh start next season. Sacking Ange will be yet another confirmed Levy managerial failure. And if he wins this trophy, he'll technically be the most successful Spurs manager in years - just can't see Levy sacking him if we win. Imagine congratulating Ange in landing a European trophy, with his P45. I think he'd get a decent transfer window and all finger crossed for a good start in the league. If we win.

If we lose tonight, Ange is gone, either tomorrow or after the Brighton game (most likely).
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I agree with you. Not sure I'd say "technically most successful..." but in an important sense it's true.

He will keep his job but be gone in November. I've seen enough to be very confident that Ange will not succeed in the league or CL for that matter. He doesn't have it him.

Anyway, COYS!!! Go big ANGE!!
 
MCSpurs said:
I think that's a fair point, and also, the transfer windows have been shocking. We've basically picked up Solanke and Danso - one starter and one back-up CB. The rest were all intended to be for the future and no real use in a dog-fight with injuries piling up, but we had to use them.

Levy seems to focus on turning cheap into sellable, rather than really investing in tried-and-tested quality players that are fit for top-4. Ok, so that's harder when you aren't actually in the top 4 (to attract them, pay the prices and wages), but we were there for long enough and didn't exactly buy many quality top-4 proven players. We got lucky with some, but many were dogs, or injury prone.
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True, but you can't excuse BIG ANGE entirely for so-so recruitment. He is part of it. Levy obviously has the final say yes. It's his cash. None of us really know how much influence Ange has, though I'd have thought at least last summer with his standing higher, he would have had quite a bit.

The players we've signed under Ange have IMO been good acquisitions (though I think we overpaid for Gray) Dragusin aside as it stands. The problem is we also need 2-3 elite players on top, and we've never had the backing to get those.
 
_mehstg said:
Agree with most of this but there is no universe where Ange will have club hero status, even if we win tonight. He will be the answer to a pub quiz question, much like the manager who was in charge when we last won a trophy.
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disagree really.
If we win it I bet he will, not next season, or 4 or 5 years maybe. but another decade plus of ENIC failure will see him as cult hero who won a major European trophy despite ENIC in my opinion
 
The question has to be: Is Ange the right manager to put Tottenham in a position to be challenging for the EPL championship in the next five years?

Further, a relevant question is: is Ange the right manager to develop Spurs' youth to be championship contending in their prime in five years?

I think the answer is fairly clear, irrespective of what happens tonight. He's had plenty of time to show what he can do in the league and in terms of development, and he has not shown it. We've been far more patient with him than most other managers (learning from our mistakes in the past). He's had enough time.
 
manmountainbutters said:
I agree with you. Not sure I'd say "technically most successful..." but in an important sense it's true.

He will keep his job but be gone in November. I've seen enough to be very confident that Ange will not succeed in the league or CL for that matter. He doesn't have it him.

Anyway, COYS!!! Go big ANGE!!
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Agree with that and yes, he's still OUR Big Ange and he's Spurs tonight. COYS!!!
 
MCSpurs said:
You know, I actually think Ange will keep his job if Spurs win tonight. Here's my thinking.

We're a fickle lot and even when we lose to a bottom club, the next win and we're all happy again. The mood after a win tonight will make us forget the league - it's done now, anyway.

We'll be in the CL and it's a fresh start next season. Sacking Ange will be yet another confirmed Levy managerial failure. And if he wins this trophy, he'll technically be the most successful Spurs manager in years - just can't see Levy sacking him if we win. Imagine congratulating Ange in landing a European trophy, with his P45. I think he'd get a decent transfer window and all finger crossed for a good start in the league. If we win.

If we lose tonight, Ange is gone, either tomorrow or after the Brighton game (most likely).
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No chance he gets sacked if we win. He might walk himself though. Players still love him, not sure the armchair fans appreciate this. That's the reason we got this far and why we will probably win (with support of the fans as well).
 
Samisspurs said:
No chance he gets sacked if we win. He might walk himself though. Players still love him, not sure the armchair fans appreciate this. That's the reason we got this far and why we will probably win (with support of the fans as well).
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I don't care if the players love him more than their own fathers, he's led us to 17th in the league and no cup win should ever fucking make up for that to a sensible, logical person.

What's the reason United got this far? Their love for Amorim? That or because its inherently a weak competition and allows you easier targets than the premier league?
 
Deuterz said:
I don't care if the players love him more than their own fathers, he's led us to 17th in the league and no cup win should ever fucking make up for that to a sensible, logical person.

What's the reason United got this far? Their love for Amorim? That or because its inherently a weak competition and allows you easier targets than the premier league?
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You’re one of those people that like finishing second to fifth but never winning anything, and see that as success then…

Yeh let’s downplay the achievement of making the Europa league final for both teams shall we, because it’s not up to the standards of the most competitive football league in the world.
 
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