We did it with Conte and got 4th.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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What negative impact? More negative than finishing 17th?
Because Conte was available.We did it with Conte and got 4th.
Will a manager like him be available after 10 games next season? I'm not so sure.
I completely get this logic as well and it’s a fair point but again, I think the ramifications of sacking him now and the negative impact that would have on the squad would outweigh that.
Also, if the club is smart then our transfer strategy shouldn’t rely on any one manager, we should have a clear plan about what we want, regardless of who is in charge tbh.
I was hearing the same thing people talking about how it can negatively impact the dressing room. It was the only decent argument I heard to keep him.
But they're professional fucking footballers, they'll get over it.
I think the squad being behind him still is the real driving factor in keeping him tbh.
Also, like I said, sacking a man who just won the club a major European trophy would make the club look ridiculous and small time.
If he starts the season and continues the shit form in the league everyone will think the sacking is justified, regardless of the trophy being won.
Nothing like Ten Hag.
Ten Hag left them saddled with old, high wage donkeys they still can’t shift.
This squad isn’t being built for Ange and there are good pieces whoever the coach is.
There were probably a load of better options for United to choose from than we have right now. Xavi is probably the only one on our list who could go into that squad and look them in the eye now. You can’t send any of the PL targets into that squad now.
And let’s be real here, United got much worse AFTER sacking Ten Hag so that narrative is pretty much dead anyway.
Ange with his first choice defence is top 4 PPG. If you recruit the depth at CB so we aren’t so fragile when we lose them, it’s not like that wouldn’t benefit the next coach if you end up sacking him anyway.
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Di Matteo won the champ lge. I’ll take that.
Also if they really love him oh so much and they’d be so upset, maybe they shouldn’t have been so monumentally shit all season long and shouldnt be sitting in 17th.
They got themselves up for a cup run. Sorry lads that isn’t enough for a top level club.
I like Frank but you can't sack Ange for him now, just sends out all the wrong kind of messages to the players and from the club...Glasner is the guy you go and get if you're going down that route.
Someone like Romero isn't sticking around for Thomas Frank, let's be real.
Go big or go home, if we're gonna move onto the next chapter then you're gonna have to go with a manager with something substantial behind him.
Someone like Romero isn't sticking around for Thomas Frank, let's be real.
Go big or go home, if we're gonna move onto the next chapter then you're gonna have to go with a manager with something substantial behind him.
Exactly
And it’s not like you weren’t Ange out staunch.
You build the squad ruthlessly and then find another coach to fit it if Ange needs to go next season.
It’s a pretty easy decision, logically.
Loads like Ten Haag.
They got worse due to a wrong choice, Ten Haag still isn’t a good coach and they weren’t improving as a team. A cup win doesn’t equate to coaching progress is the whole point.
Oh no not the first choice defence top 4 PPG argument. Meaningless. Small limited sample size.
We are going to continue to be shit under this guy because the coaching sucks. We played utter shite football in that final. Imagine this guy trying to deal with CL mid-week and league, he couldn’t handle Europa League with league games FFS.
Romero doesn’t give a shit about Glasner either. We just won the biggest thing Glasner ever won.
Keeping the manager who won a EL despite him being 17th and the team being terrible for ages would be small time.
If the squad is behind him they should’ve turned up every week for the league.
So Amorim was the wrong coach?
How you know we wouldn’t choose the wrong coach?
The sample size is big enough with the first choice defense now tbh. As big as you will get to analyze at this level
Glasner won it with like a quarter of the budget and then won an FA cup against numerous better teams than we beat in the EL with Crystal Palace btw.
And his team didn’t tank a league. And he schooled Ange home and away.
Of course you can’t guarantee we won’t choose the wrong coach lol. That doesn’t mean you stick with a definitely wrong one.
Doesn’t matter,
Glasner isn’t going to take you up a level from here. He’s a sideways step who only really works with a strong 11 and very limited rotation. Doesn’t really have a reputation for working with young players and is also going to cost half a player to get out of Palace,
Squad isn’t built for Glasner either. It would be a flip flop.
Unless we are talking Klopp, Xavi, or another bigger name, you are taking a crazy risk to move now. Rational decision makers don’t take risks like that.
Maybe we need to just stick to the plan
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In all seriousness, there was the leak/itk/reports at the time that we didn't want Ten Hag because he was a poor communicator and had the personality of a potato. This meant that he fell out with loads of players and turned the fans against him
One thing that we can say is totally different is that Ange seems to have more charisma that has the squad backing him to the hilt. It could be a huge gamble to get rid of him if it ended up alienating/pissing off the entire squad (see romero's comments earlier this season or last season)
Edit: worth noting that United have gone massively backwards since they sacked ETH, and (IMO) hugely backwards since they sacked Solskjaer. It's not unheard of for a manager to survive a 'dip' and go on to recover very well (arteta had this, though you might argue he's not won anything lately, they've finished 2nd a few times to imply progress)