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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I’ve said for ages I’d go after Xavi

I’d at least see the dream and the daring in that appointment, even if there’s risk involved,

Would help massively with the dressing room too

Johnson, Bergvall and Gray were all heavily recruited by Brentford but ultimately they all decided they weren’t excited to work with Frank. Now he’s following them here like they can’t get away from him.
I agree with the idea of getting a manager in the vein of Xavi in principle but in reality can you honestly say the ongoing battle he had with the Barcelona board in his final season brims you with confidence about his compatibility with Levy/ENIC? Having worked with a difficult board at Barcelona what makes you think Xavi, who will surely be aware of Daniel Levy's reputation (or swiftly become aware of it upon interest being made clear) would want to roll the dice with such a notoriously difficult chairman?

The reality is we may well be very limited in the scope of managers who are both available and interested. Taking on a squad with a very young average age, no obvious star player to build the side around, who had very conflicting results of winning a prestigious trophy and having CL football next season, with having their worst league finish in modern football. I don't get the sense that a guy like Xavi is desperate to take the next job offered to him, I think he would happily sit on his arse until a tailor-made opportunity to print trophies with a team with substantial resources and/or reputation comes along.

That, in essence is why I think it's naive to say that league placement has no bearing on our ability to win things long term, the fact that Mourinho and Conte came here when we were a nearly-there team says that down the line as long as we keep ourselves in the upper echelons of the league, when Levy and ENIC finally fuck off (something I'd say the fanbase is fairly united on) and we get owners who won't sell manager after manager after manager down the river, we could bring a guy in like Conte and actually back him with a huge warchest to build the squad he needs. I truly believe if you go out and furnish him with a £250m net spend window in Summer 2022 the last few years of the club look very fucking different.

I think there's enough of a shout with Frank based on the job he's done with Brentford that we could see consistent scaling up of the side over a 3-5 year period also. Pochettino was less proven, and his Southampton side were not at the same financial disparity to the rest of the league as Brentford. Pochettino was far more pragmatic in his approach with his Southampton side than he immediately was for us when he came to Spurs. I just think it's so naive to assume that because Frank has only achieved what he has thus far he has no capacity to improve and grow as a manager. For every Nuno you have a Poch or Redknapp from that profile of manager.
 
What do you expect the new manager to achieve next season?
Turn up with what looks a plan would be a good start!
Have a balanced approach between attack and defence.
Challenge at the top end of the table, pushing for a CL place.
Take the domestic cups seriously.
Get out of CL group phase.
Not get embarrassed by lesser teams we should beat.
Bring on the younger players and integrate some of the academy prospects.
 
We've had great coaches and "loads of coaches". All failed before! Just go back in our recent history to see some of the shockers we've had and early rounds we've crashed out of.

Fact is Ange got it done! If it was so easy it wouldn't be our first European trophy in 41 years!

This has been done to death. Pochettino didn't win it because we were going for leagues and therefore de-prioritised the Europa League, the same way Liverpool under Klopp last season clearly went nowhere near all out vs Atalanta. This season we made it our everything very early and we had a very kind draw.
 
Woah, back up and finish... what decade of Villa were you comparing us to???


edit: for the benefit of the tape, it appears to be the 1981/82 season where Villa finished 11th and won the European cup. Only the 44 years ago

And? The last time we won in Europe was 41 years ago.

Therefore, I would have taken 17th and a Europa League win at the start of the season.

Successful.
 
Of course you could. But seeing as Conte, Mourinho, Pochettino and Redknapp couldn't (with better teams) I'm going to suggest it took this incredibly weird and fucked way for us to get finally do it.

Conte didn't play in it, Mourinho definitely had a worse team (by far it was shocking) and Conte actually had a worse team too, he just had one world class footballer .. the squad in general was shocking. And he went out in the conference league because like with Harry we just didn't take it seriously.

I will credit Ange with one thing: he took it seriously. That alone probably meant we won it ... well alongside the draw, no amount of caring gets us to beat some of the teams in it last year. But he clearly put full effort in to it, I just find it shocking that some fans think that this should be enough to save his job.
 
Turn up with what looks a plan would be a good start!
Have a balanced approach between attack and defence.
Challenge at the top end of the table, pushing for a CL place.
Take the domestic cups seriously.
Get out of CL group phase.
Not get embarrassed by lesser teams we should beat.
Bring on the younger players and integrate some of the academy prospects.
I think you forgot a little something...

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I hear what you are saying Mrs P, but overall 90% of our football these past 18 months has been turgid, even in the way we won the final, there was no trace of what we as Spurs fans have come to expect as a minimum. Football with flair, imagination and a bit of a swagger win lose or draw.
Therefore I doubt very much that Ange, and in his guidance, his coaching staff could have made that 180 turnaround, and personally I would not have wanted to give him another season with my club to experiment in trying to do that!
Fair enough, I sat through all the home games and Villa/Liverpool away cup games, and most of it was pretty grim.
I could hardly watch the second half of the final, but all that was forgotten at the final whistle and the weeks after.
Not that I have personal experience, but I imagine it;'s a bit like giving birth - once the baby arrives, all the pain is forgotten! :)
 
Conte didn't play in it, Mourinho definitely had a worse team (by far it was shocking) and Conte actually had a worse team too, he just had one world class footballer .. the squad in general was shocking. And he went out in the conference league because like with Harry we just didn't take it seriously.

I will credit Ange with one thing: he took it seriously. That alone probably meant we won it ... well alongside the draw, no amount of caring gets us to beat some of the teams in it last year. But he clearly put full effort in to it, I just find it shocking that some fans think that this should be enough to save his job.
Given a choice would you take finishing fifth in the league. Champions league spot.

Or 17th but Europa winners and champions league spot.
 
No love for Baldcunt, but you really need to go follow Ange to his next club and continue the love affair.

It doesn't have to be over.

Keep the flame alive, my guy.

Good luck!
Have followed Tottenham my whole life. Was enraged on this forum when we sacked Jose just before a cup final despite a lot of people on here saying it was a good idea then, was fuming when we got rid of Pochettino too early. Levy consistently has made awful decisions on sacking managers at key times and now he's done it again.

Not that I should expect you to have a great idea about the tactical plans of managers, seeing you've been doing formation graphics with Romero or Foyth in centre midfield for the past few years.
 
Given a choice would you take finishing fifth in the league. Champions league spot.

Or 17th but Europa winners and champions league spot.
The Europa every time. But we can't do the same this year. This is a one off season. It's been abject for 90% of it. I would finish 17th every year if a trophy was guaranteed. But it's not. I feel a lot of people are getting carried away and thinking we will win something with Ange in this year. I see a lot of posts about going back to being trophyless now he's gone, like he was going to win anything this year anyway.
 
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