Anthony Georgiou

[Spursidol]

I thought he did well as a LB in pre-season, but only getting involved in 10 games for Ipswich would indicate he's not good enough. Being over 21 means we have to register him in order to make him available, and we don't really have any empty slots. Of course he's been with us long enough to count as a club trained (home grown) player, and we might just have one empty slot left. I don't know, I think he's toast.

He's a decent traditional left winger, but we don't play with traditional wingers, and not a good enough defender to be a LB, otherwise he might have been useful to is there.

Really don't know why Nkoudou was bought as Georgiou was probably no worse.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

He's a decent traditional left winger, but we don't play with traditional wingers, and not a good enough defender to be a LB, otherwise he might have been useful to is there.

Really don't know why Nkoudou was bought as Georgiou was probably no worse.

I think Nkoudou was a better footballer but only due to his experience and age. Plus he is Spurs, the invisible 5% performance that gives the player.

Would have been far better to have stuck with Georgiou develop him and sell him for more than we paid for and lost on Nkoudo (net -£9m).

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Sure we are losing with Toby and Jan playing, but why would putting in even worse, inferior or inexperienced players improve the results?

It's just fan desperation.

Look at the performances Sanchez and Foyth have put in this year. Even worse than Jan and Toby.

I'm not talking about results, I'm talking about investing in players minutes for the sake of next season and the season after that. I'd rather lose playing any of the younger lads than lose with Toby and Jan player.

I disagree with your assessment of Toby and Jan THIS YEAR. Jan has been nothing other than shit and Sanchez has been far better than Toby.

I'd go so far as to say Sanchez has been our best player across the season to date.

Toby has certainly got games left in him and he's by no means done as a player but he's performances have dropped off a cliff and is as fast as a snail. So I don't get why we gave him a new deal unless we are going to sell him this summer then there maybe that's the only logic to doing it but that would still mean playing him over and above some promising young players that can develop into promising players that have a far brighter career ahead of them at Tottenham than Toby does.

 

[Spursidol]

Agree.

However, just try this out for a second. Suppose Tanganga's first game was the game against Watford. There was a lot of people supporting his performance against Watford, which is great to see and makes a big difference than the usual ripping into young players we usually see. But at the end of the day, he spent 3/4's of that game getting ripped apart. The harsh reality.

Foyth has by and large always played well in every game for us when selected but there has been the one error in each that draws the attention from some. He has never been ripped apart the way Tanganga was against Watford (and he has been played out of position numerous times too). There is already a narrative beginning to form about Foyth based on one error each game he's played. Toby and Jan make just as many errors, but they have the currency in the bank that Foyth doesn't. And because on ONE brilliant performance, Tanaganga has currency in his bank that has afforded him to get ripped apart in his 2nd game and still have the faith of fans (which is great and how it should be!!).

Both of these lads are fantastic. Both excite me even more in the sense that they have different styles and therefore could compliment each other well (I think that's been a reason why Toby & Jan have been so good, apart from in the air they compliment each other, one competent in bringing the ball out (Jan), the other pinging crossfield 60 yrd balls (Toby), one brilliant at 1v1's (Toby) the other positionally intelligent (Jan) to name just a few examples).

Tanganga has played all his youth games at CB, both RCB and LCB, bar a handful at RB and I think a couple at LB (although I have seen WindyCOYS say never at LB so I could be mistaken).

So with that in mind, to get a youngster play in a new position to him @ LB against Watford ( especially with what I think was a dodgy yellow card after 20 minutes so had to play 70 minutes with that hanging over him) was pretty good - Watford were undoubtedly targeting him yet he hung in there well. A very composed performance. And might I suggest that Watford's left forward was probably their fastest and best player coming into the match - so not conceding was a pretty good result.

In his other 2 games he's played CB/RB, and whilst I think Mourhino's idea was that he play RB as a defender and not get up the pitch, Tanganga's willingness and ability to get up the flank and put in decent crossses was a real bonus, the one catching the eye was in the 93rd minute when most other players looked a little fatigued.

Poch had trained Foyth to be a CB and then switched to training him as a RB, so I would guess Foyth had a lot more individual training to play at RB than Tanganga has had, and Tanganga cannot have had much time at all being prepared for the LB role, a couple of days at absolute maximum.

So I'd suggest the narrative should be that Tanganga had 2 good games against Liverpool and Boro, and took one for the team in agreeing to play LB as nobody else was available to play there.

Of course Tanganga is not the finished article and will make mistakes, but so far he's earned a lot of credit in the bank.

But if I take your point and think of Watford being Tanganga's first game where he is being played in a new position (LB) then comparing that to Foyth's actual first PL game at CB, a position he had been coached in by Poch for a couple of years) …... conceding 2 penalties is not helpful to Foyth's cause, so suggest you don't put that idea forward again !.

So as I say, I think Tanganga could be the one playing first team football whilst Foyth is loaned out - not sure both could play at Spurs in the 2nd half of the season - maybe to a lower PL side or any other decent side to get more minutes on the clock.

And BTW there are a couple of other youth CB's coming through, behind both Tanganga and Foyth, who should be loaned out - lengthy post in the youth thread a couple of days ago if you are interested,

 

[sudoku]

Anthony Georgiou posts farewell message after sealing move away from Tottenham

The young winger completed his transfer from Tottenham Hotspur this week to start a new chapter of his career in Cyprus

www.football.london

"Learnt a lot and made a lot of memories throughout my 11 years at Tottenham," he said. "Thank you to everyone at @spursofficial. Always grateful.

"I’m looking forward to the next chapter."

 

[Jurgen's Binnman]

Always nice to see another exciting youth prospect apear out of nowhere!

 

[ShutUpPatrik]

 

[Totti]

Not really.

Considering he was never spoken about as a highly rated prospect and will likely never ever claim a spot in the first team - I'm surprised.

 

[ShutUpPatrik]

Considering he was never spoken about as a highly rated prospect and will likely never ever claim a spot in the first team - I'm surprised.

He is well liked in the first team and was spoken off as a highly rated prospect. His last season was derailed with injuries tho, but the pre-season with the first team did him good.

He's also becoming too old to be on an apprentice deal and he was on an outgoing one as well. So why not tie him up or risk him leaving on a free?

 

[sammyspurs]

Good luck to him, hopefully another "who is called Harry Kane" story....Winks already Englands best CM...

 

[Rocket]

Assisted the winner in the fourth minute of injury time for Ipswich in the 1st Round proper of the FA Cup,against Lincoln tonight.

From the BBC live text service...

90'+4'
Goal! Lincoln City 0, Ipswich Town 1. Alan Judge (Ipswich Town) left footed shot from outside the box to the high centre of the goal. Assisted by Anthony Georgiou.

Yes he's still officially a Spurs player on loan. Wonder if Maureen will be recalling him. ochlol:

 

[SoCalSpurs]

Yes he's still officially a Spurs player on loan. Wonder if Maureen will be recalling him. ochlol:

Will it be like a new signing?

 

[reachingforthestars]

Anyone heard anything about this lad? His loan to Ipswich ends in "January 2020". Can't see him getting anything further from us. His current contract expires next year.

I thought he did well as a LB in pre-season, but only getting involved in 10 games for Ipswich would indicate he's not good enough. Being over 21 means we have to register him in order to make him available, and we don't really have any empty slots. Of course he's been with us long enough to count as a club trained (home grown) player, and we might just have one empty slot left. I don't know, I think he's toast.

 

[sudoku]

GEORGIOU LOAN ENDED

Winger back at Tottenham after limited first-team appearances

www.itfc.co.uk

Anthony Georgiou’s loan at Town has ended and he has gone back to Tottenham.

The 22-year-old wideman arrived at Portman Road in August, with a deal in place to see him stay at the Club until January and with an option to see out the season with Blues if all parties agreed.


Georgiou made his debut in the 2-1 win over AFC Wimbledon and went on to make 13 appearances for the Club but his games in the league all came as a substitute.

Over the past two months he has only featured three times in League One and with Tottenham looking for their loan players to get regular first-team football, the Cyprus international has returned to White Hart Lane.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

They chronically lack experience though. They won’t hold up in CL or against the top 5.

Sanchez is a good defender but he lacks the ability to distribute.

I like Foyth as well and still hope he comes good but he’s unreliable and is error prone.

Eyoma is not ready at this level with zero experience.

Tanganga is just getting started with 2 games under his belt.

We had to sign Toby really, if only to hand down experience and guide these young centre backs to learn.

I personally would be horrified if we went into a season with those 4, and I am not sure if all of them are prem quality.

Jan and Toby are not holding up against top 5 in the league! They are ripped to pieces most games, admittedly this is also because of a lack of a midfield in front of them but they are miles off their best. I still love these guys but now is the time to invest in the playing time of the future, so we can reap the benefits next season.

A lot still has to be sorted out with how we are going to play under Jose, if we are going to play with a low block then there will be a lot less running required, so this could prolong the playing time with the old boys. But flip the coin over and this could also mean that it's easier to bed in the young lads too, it's easier to defend in a low block than it is when the defence is exposed to 2v2's or balls over the top if he plays higher up the pitch.

In any event, both scenarios could do with getting the CM/DM sorted for us to improve as an entire unit.

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

I don’t know if Foyth’s issue is over-confidence. Some might call it bad judgement, and that’s aka bad football brain, which is quite critical for a defender.

I really do hope he comes good one day, he has something that Sanchez doesn’t but the jury’s still out I think, I won’t be trusting Foyth anytime soon to take over the starting spot.

Some players never get rid of these brain farts you know, just look at Aurier.

He's 22yrs old mate, EVERY player that age will make a bad call, be that lack of judgement or just taking the wrong option. When playing against mature players (he will not be every week as oppo also playing young players) that is likely to get punished. It's part and parcel of a young players development.

Just look at De Ligt right now, his quality was clear for all to see, he got his big move (in my opinion to the wrong club) but has really struggled this season, making numerous errors. These are no doubt as a result primarily because he's just 20yrs old! Having to deal with a new team (his first new team he's played for in his life), new country etc......but at 20 he will be the target of any oppo striker who fancies his luck. This is the natural path to development, some come through it, others don't.

He reminds me of John Stones, Stones got a lot of mins under his belt at the same age, was brilliant but still was prone to an error, those errors were very similar, usually when trying to take the ball out of defence. Since his injury he's not been able to get his place back in the team, is this because he's simply not developed his game and is still making the same errors? Or is it a fitness & confidence issues as a result of the injury?

In any event, most CB's don't reach their heights until 26 or 27yrs old you only have to look at Toby for evidence of this, before we bought him he was out on loan at Southampton at the age of 26yrs. Van Dijk was getting nutmegged and spun by Kane whilst playing for Southampton whilst 26yrs old. No one was talking about these two as anything "special" before they made their moves.

Now that might support the argument for unearthing a mature CB who's 26/27 but are we going to drop £80-£100m on a CB?

IMO we are in a truly unique position of possessing 4 very promising young CB's, all will be desperate for minutes, all will, therefore, be pushing each other for a starting slot. This season more than any other should be their opportunity (because we are 8th and 9pts off top four) and with every passing week, our current CB's will get worse, not better by the same token the young lads should with every passing week be getting better. As I say, I'd rather lose trying to develop the future of Tottenham, than lose sticking with what will be the past of Tottenham.

 

[Allejo10]

Last error I remeber from Foyth was a misplaced pass from Sissoko that put the ball tô him in the middle of 3 players. He lost the ball. He's off, Sissoko is in. Our midfielders, in Sissoko and Winks, put us under fire more than any defender, but they aren't changes.

 

[r-u-s-x]

He's 22yrs old mate, EVERY player that age will make a bad call, be that lack of judgement or just taking the wrong option. When playing against mature players (he will not be every week as oppo also playing young players) that is likely to get punished. It's part and parcel of a young players development.

Just look at De Ligt right now, his quality was clear for all to see, he got his big move (in my opinion to the wrong club) but has really struggled this season, making numerous errors. These are no doubt as a result primarily because he's just 20yrs old! Having to deal with a new team (his first new team he's played for in his life), new country etc......but at 20 he will be the target of any oppo striker who fancies his luck. This is the natural path to development, some come through it, others don't.

He reminds me of John Stones, Stones got a lot of mins under his belt at the same age, was brilliant but still was prone to an error, those errors were very similar, usually when trying to take the ball out of defence. Since his injury he's not been able to get his place back in the team, is this because he's simply not developed his game and is still making the same errors? Or is it a fitness & confidence issues as a result of the injury?

In any event, most CB's don't reach their heights until 26 or 27yrs old you only have to look at Toby for evidence of this, before we bought him he was out on loan at Southampton at the age of 26yrs. Van Dijk was getting nutmegged and spun by Kane whilst playing for Southampton whilst 26yrs old. No one was talking about these two as anything "special" before they made their moves.

Now that might support the argument for unearthing a mature CB who's 26/27 but are we going to drop £80-£100m on a CB?

IMO we are in a truly unique position of possessing 4 very promising young CB's, all will be desperate for minutes, all will, therefore, be pushing each other for a starting slot. This season more than any other should be their opportunity (because we are 8th and 9pts off top four) and with every passing week, our current CB's will get worse, not better by the same token the young lads should with every passing week be getting better. As I say, I'd rather lose trying to develop the future of Tottenham, than lose sticking with what will be the past of Tottenham.

Stones & Rio Ferdinand are the opposite ends of the spectrum imo - both had mistakes in them at a young age but massive potential, Rio managed to develop his game to largely iron them out.

We are still talking about Stones' potential and always will be imo, if he hasn't been able to develop his game significantly under Pep (who you think would be a perfect manager for his type of player) he never will.

 

[Spursidol]

Suarez?? Take it you mean Sanchez, unless we have a youth team player called Suarez. Please don't confuse me, as I've only had three hours kip, and my flight home has been delayed by an hour.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

For some reason my brain thinks of Sanchez but my fingers type Suarez....and its not even the sangria doing it !,

 

[Guido 🇺🇦]

Agree with lots of that but Tanganga, aged 20, looks a lot more composed, relaxed but alert and able (also comes through in his interviews) than Foyth at aged 22 and thereby most likely to be easier to integrate into the first team.

Sure, Foyth is far from a lost cause and ripe for development, and I do take on board the John Stones comparison as he seems to have plateaued. So question is whether we can develop Foyth in house or whether he neds a loan to a coach we trust to help develop him.

Agree.

However, just try this out for a second. Suppose Tanganga's first game was the game against Watford. There was a lot of people supporting his performance against Watford, which is great to see and makes a big difference than the usual ripping into young players we usually see. But at the end of the day, he spent 3/4's of that game getting ripped apart. The harsh reality.

Foyth has by and large always played well in every game for us when selected but there has been the one error in each that draws the attention from some. He has never been ripped apart the way Tanganga was against Watford (and he has been played out of position numerous times too). There is already a narrative beginning to form about Foyth based on one error each game he's played. Toby and Jan make just as many errors, but they have the currency in the bank that Foyth doesn't. And because on ONE brilliant performance, Tanaganga has currency in his bank that has afforded him to get ripped apart in his 2nd game and still have the faith of fans (which is great and how it should be!!).

Both of these lads are fantastic. Both excite me even more in the sense that they have different styles and therefore could compliment each other well (I think that's been a reason why Toby & Jan have been so good, apart from in the air they compliment each other, one competent in bringing the ball out (Jan), the other pinging crossfield 60 yrd balls (Toby), one brilliant at 1v1's (Toby) the other positionally intelligent (Jan) to name just a few examples).