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Manager Antonio Conte

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Notabadsquad said:
So I am mostly in agreement with this but we also need a hard hand or we are going to see more nonsense and lack of performance.
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Did we not just have a 'hard hand'? You can choose the carrot or the stick...or some combination thereof. But then again I do not attribute our shitty play****** to bad coaching (though I have always thought Mou was shit). I attribute it all to shitty players. If you or anyone else disagrees that's fine, no need to argue it here. But I will say that nothing since summer 18 has changed my view on this. So a taskmaster ain't gonna make Dier into Nesta no matter how Italian he is.

But competition is the key. We'll replace Kane with 1 striker and Levy will think 'job done'. And let's say that player is decent. Then he will going into next year, just like Harry, as the only striker and become the unquestioned 1st teamer and we wil be back to where we were...1 player deep at most positions and a few holes here and there...but a self-satisfied chairmen because he spent money.

Notabadsquad said:
It is a fine balancing act but it would be nice to be able to find a manager of quality as opposed to recycling our rival's cast-offs
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No plan whatsoever!!!! And even with this leak/story it seems like there are not realizing the depths of our problems. A quick manager switch is not going to fix it but it will be cheaper than dumping all of the players that should have been dumped and replace in the painful rebuild that never was. Wonder which Levy will go for?


Edit:*****I should have put "solely" here.
 
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todd1882 said:
Amazing I've seen folks wanting this prick...another 'winner' for the quick fix. And another Chelsea reject at that. And the football is shit too. Wasn't that a complaint? Is it as negative as Mou? No, but it ain't progressive football.

Some idiots will never learn...no matter how fucking big the lesson.
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How is he a Chelsea reject ?? And the football they played the year he won it was brilliant. He not only won seria a this year they absolutely demolished everyone in their path with a 12 point lead. The football his teams play is far from shit
 
todd1882 said:
Did we not just have a 'hard hand'? You can choose the carrot or the stick...or some combination thereof. But then again I do not attribute our shitty play to bad coaching (though I have always thought Mou was shit). I attribute it all to shitty players. If you or anyone else disagrees that's fine, no need to argue it here. But I will say that nothing since summer 18 has changed my view on this. So a taskmaster ain't gonna make Dier into Nesta no matter how Italian he is.

But competition is the key. We'll replace Kane with 1 striker and Levy will think 'job done'. And let's say that player is decent. Then he will going into next year, just like Harry, as the only striker and become the unquestioned 1st teamer and we wil be back to where we were...1 player deep at most positions and a few holes here and there...but a self-satisfied chairmen because he spent money.


No plan whatsoever!!!! And even with this leak/story it seems like there are not realizing the depths of our problems. A quick manager switch is not going to fix it but it will be cheaper than dumping all of the players that should have been dumped and replace in the painful rebuild that never was. Wonder which Levy will go for?
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All Fair.

I think Mourinho just got stale. The younger model would have been very good with the exact same players in my opinion.
 
SpurFromOz said:
Todd, who's your preference mate ?
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To tell you the truth I don't have one. All these 'brand' coaches aren't geniuses ('cept Pep) so I don't get caught up in it. Conte spent boatloads to win at Inter. I also don't think he has that flexible a football mind. So not really impressed.

I honestly wouldn't be unhappy with the choice of Potter...if they tore down and rebuilt the squad. Someone wrote the other day that if a player played in the CL final then would be happy to see the back of them. That is very much how I am thinking. Get rid of the entitlement and let's start anew. We shoud have bitten the bullet and accepted it back when Poch was here. That way he would have kept the aura and culture. Now we've got to start over.

SpurFromOz said:
I can see your point of view, and the comparison between Conte / Mou. I posted elsewhere that from what I have seen Levy and Conte would be untenable.
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Exactly!!!! I forgot to write about that. I wanted Tuchel but always caveated it with the same thing. Conte would be going apeshit dealing with Levy. The fax machine excuses would not fly. And the fucker downed tools on Chelsea for it. Steer clear I say because even if it worked we'd be right back to where we are now after it imploded. But Levy's looking for a desperate shortcut instead of making competent decisions.
 
SPUDIRL said:
How is he a Chelsea reject ??
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Did he not coach at Chelsea? Was he not fired from Chelsea?
SPUDIRL said:
And the football they played the year he won it was brilliant.
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It wasn't. It was counter-attacking and not progressive football.
SPUDIRL said:
The football his teams play is far from shit
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if that's your cup of tea then great but it would never be consider open and expansive football.
 
postbox said:
The most apt comparison to Mourinho Ive seen is Conte today=Mourinho 10 years ago.
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When I began to solidify my opinion of him as a chequebook manager. If Mou had better players with us he'd be viewed differently than he is now because he would have been successful. But his intrinsic value would still be the same.

postbox said:
Though I do share to concern over his rather combustable nature and Levy...
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Yeah, can't imagine how it would work.
 
Tottenham Sean said:
I agree with this. The only reason,and it's very very doubtful is he truly realised how much he fucked up with the fans over the ESL,and with the team,by not getting in the quality needed. Maybe,just maybe with the super League bollo AND Kane making waves he is thinking differently.
Would I put money on it?
Would I bollocks 😊
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You have to remember the Covid impact and lack of CL - a huge drop in revenue that needs to be balanced.
Only way we spend is if they sell a minority stake or somehow get some investment in (be it externally or via some form of loan from Lewis) to try and get the club (their asset) back into the CL which in turn maintains the potential sale price of the club
 
todd1882 said:
When I began to solidify my opinion of him as a chequebook manager. If Mou had better players with us he'd be viewed differently than he is now because he would have been successful. But his intrinsic value would still be the same.
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Honestly dont really agree here.

Despite how bad things look now I think Mourinho had more than enough quality in the squad to play good and even successful football.

What was exposed was his lack of ability in the now, his methods and tactics not working, not a lack of quality at his disposal.

Its clear Conte likes to buy players to suit him, cant argue with that - but he has just won the league for the first time in a decade for Inter - with a geriatric Ashley Young and Victor bloody Moses as wing backs - suggests to me he needs a certain skillset in a player rather than just expensive players.


Edit: Incidentally, reading up on his successful seasons etc, Moses is a nice example of him developing players to suit him as well. Also the like of Lukaku actually starting to fullfil potential under him - Im not sure its entirely fair to just call him a chequebook manager ala Mourinho
 
todd1882 said:
Did he not coach at Chelsea? Was he not fired from Chelsea?

It wasn't. It was counter-attacking and not progressive football.

if that's your cup of tea then great but it would never be consider open and expansive football.
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Fast and brave counter-attacking football can be very attractive in my eyes. But dont know, if Contes at Chelsea was. I surely prefer (situational) Forechecking, but compared to possession football with slow build-up play counter-attacking can be at least as exciting.
 
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