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Lloris
Aurier - Alderweireld - Sanchez - Davies
Ndombele - Dier - Lo Celso
Dele - Kane - Son​

Most probably.

Two progressive ball players in the middle of the field who can both transition defence to attack. Something we've lacked consistently for 2 years.

On that line up, we need a new RB, LB and DM.
 
Best formation right now;
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

XI individuals, barely even
playing for themselves... and in no way contributing to the team!

How 'bout THAT? 🐔
 
Mampi said:
Counter attacking seems to suit us until someone decides to slow it down or fuck up the final ball.

We have no quality from balls out wide, so although necessary to create space - it seems like a waste of time when watching Aurier or Sessegnon shank balls to the crowd, or float it gently to the keeper.

I hated watching us struggle to go through a packed middle, but I do think Lo Celso, Eriksen, Dele, Ndombele are good enough to play in tight areas. In fact it would seem our quality with the ball is at its worst the more space we have!

Any exposure of our back line frightens the life out of me, so I want to see them structured in shape.. and although I don't rate Dier that high, he can win a lot of headers in the middle which also allows the CBs to stay in their shape instead of 1 pushing up.

Lloris
Toby Davinson Davies
Sissoko Dier Ndombele
Lamela Dele Son
Kane

But it's more about with / without the ball..

Without;
Sissoko Toby Dier Davinson Davies
Lamela Dele Ndombele
Kane Son

Structured and flat at the back, looking to use Sissoko on the right and Son on the left as running outlets should we ever win the ball back. Lamela hassling and assisting the weak player Sissoko is, and Dele floating around doing fuck all as he does - so just don't give him any proper defensive duties.
Kane dropping deep to allow some link up play as we can expect Son and Dele to be ready for attacking moves.

With;
Toby Davinson
Sissoko Dier Davies
Ndombele
Lamela Dele Son
Kane

Problem is I really don't trust Foyth, Kwp, Rose, Sessegnon, Winks, Aurier, Lucas, Wanyama, Eriksen as things stand.

We don't really have the pace for a high line, so avoid that and look to break against teams who dominate us - which evidently appears to be every single team in the league.

Experimental sure.. but we are at a point where performances AND results are complete shit. Anything new has got to be worth a go?

Everybody knows how vividly aware of this Mourinho will be. It won't be long until his 'my squad is amazing' rhetoric turns into 'this and that player let me down'.

It might be worth getting an early bet on us to win the Europa league in his first full season.
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He will wield whatever axe he needs to in order to get it right.

One thing that worries me more than any formation is our players absolutely appalling ball control.
We are a disgrace in possession with a bit of pressure on us
 
433 for me. A DM alongside Ndombele and Lo Celso and a front 3 of Kane, Alli and Son.

Essentially we need a Kante style player to work tirelessly of the ball to allow our ball players to use more of their energy going forward.
 
Ulrika Jonsson said:
A few things

1. I would drop Kulu into a 3 man midfield where his ball control and artistry can have more effect.
2. I would tell Romero to stop wandering off.
3. Maybe also Moura to RWB.

3-5-2. But with the wing backs pushing forward, Bergwin needs more playing time but he isn’t replacing Kane or Son yet.
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I don't mind Romero wandering off.

He has better ball skills than our midfielders. So when he steps into midfield we have the 3rd option.

It's one of his better skills.
 
Can’t disagree with most of that XI (Sammy’s)but I’d prefer to see a passer in midfield.

Without lighting the Sissoko blue touch paper (I’m sure we have different views on him like most of the fan base) I’d only contemplate him as an impact sub or right sided MF.

Wish we’d seen more of Skipp tbh - none of us know whether he’d be good enough but what he ‘appears’ to do well we need lots of...

If we made one signing in January it’d be a DM
If we made two signings I’d add a RB
If we made three I’d add a striker
 
With our current squad. 352

Gazza
Toby Sanchez Verts
Aurier Ndombele Dier Lo Celso Sessegnon
Kane Son

- Dier because no-one else unless we use Skipp.
- Verts and Toby’s leg ain’t what they used to be so they need pacey cover but given Sanchez behind them they should be better and are both good with ball at feet.
- Aurier and Sess as wing forwards so as to limit their potential defensive issues and provide genuine width and outlets, should also enable us to press rather than be pressed.
- Lo Celso and Ndombele as we need some technical In the middle with Winks on standby.
- would say Eriksen but he doesn’t give shit anymore.
- Sissoko to come on around 60-70 when everyone’s legs have gone.

I prefer 4-3-3 but don’t think we have the players.
 
scarletjim said:
I'm not saying I don't like it or it wouldn't be better than what we've done recently, but it would bring its own set of problems...

Regi isn't suited to being a fullback, that formation would expose his weaknesses more, and make no use of his strengths.

Romero has very clearly been given a license to roam - it started just with coming out to win the ball, but now he's often joining the attack for sustained periods - if he couldn't stop himself from doing that, then this formation would regularly leave us very exposed in central defence.
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I don't disagree with your points but here's where I'm getting at with my starting 11/formation

-We currently lack the ability to retain possession in the midfield as well as distribute the ball out of the midfield. I personally think dropping Kane into an AM position (which he sort of already is doing at the moment) would help us immensely in solidifying our midfield. He needs to sacrifice himself, and focus on holding the ball up/distribution, even more than he's doing right now

-I'd also like to see Berg added to the mix. What he lacks in end product (goals/assists), he makes up for in decent hold up play and retaining position which he's much better at than Son/Lucas. He's another player, alongside Kane that can help solidify the the middle of the pitch and well as provide more going forward than our god awful wingbacks.

-We need Son playing further up front, closer to the opponents goal. His biggest strength is making those runs in behind, pulling defenders out of position, and is among the best attackers when he can find space. He adds very little when he plays deep as he has been doing under Conte. We aren't getting the most out of one of our best players the way Conte's been using him.

-As far as defense goes, we can solidify the middle of the pitch by bringing the likes of Kane/Berg into the mix (instead of relying on Lucas/Son in the middle of the pitch), so players like PEH and Skipp can really play like holding mids instead of having to try to do it all, thus help solidifying our defense
 
KaneDomBadBoy said:
[FORMATION=4231,Hugo,Emerson/Doherty,Dier,Romero,,Reg,Bent/Skipp,PEH,Kulu/Lucas,Kane,Berg,Son]home-kit[/FORMATION]
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I'm not saying I don't like it or it wouldn't be better than what we've done recently, but it would bring its own set of problems...

Regi isn't suited to being a fullback, that formation would expose his weaknesses more, and make no use of his strengths.

Romero has very clearly been given a license to roam - it started just with coming out to win the ball, but now he's often joining the attack for sustained periods - if he couldn't stop himself from doing that, then this formation would regularly leave us very exposed in central defence.
 
My honest opinion is that it's less formation and more about performance levels.

For all Pochettino was great at and maybe it was down to his demands but for 3 or 4 years we had 6 or 7 players who were 8 out of 10 or higher nearly every time they played.

Now I can't honestly name 1.

You simply cannot be successful in such circumstances.
 
deadleyledley said:
I don't mind Romero wandering off.

He has better ball skills than our midfielders. So when he steps into midfield we have the 3rd option.

It's one of his better skills.
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I would like to see him wander off with Wankberg in a double headlock and launch both of them into the Thames
 
-----------------Gazza------------------
Aurier----Toby----Sanchez----Davies
----------N'dombele--Sissoko--------
-------------Eriksen/Lo Celso--------
------------Alli----‐--------------Son--
---------------------Kane--------------
 
Counter attacking seems to suit us until someone decides to slow it down or fuck up the final ball.

We have no quality from balls out wide, so although necessary to create space - it seems like a waste of time when watching Aurier or Sessegnon shank balls to the crowd, or float it gently to the keeper.

I hated watching us struggle to go through a packed middle, but I do think Lo Celso, Eriksen, Dele, Ndombele are good enough to play in tight areas. In fact it would seem our quality with the ball is at its worst the more space we have!

Any exposure of our back line frightens the life out of me, so I want to see them structured in shape.. and although I don't rate Dier that high, he can win a lot of headers in the middle which also allows the CBs to stay in their shape instead of 1 pushing up.

Lloris
Toby Davinson Davies
Sissoko Dier Ndombele
Lamela Dele Son
Kane

But it's more about with / without the ball..

Without;
Sissoko Toby Dier Davinson Davies
Lamela Dele Ndombele
Kane Son

Structured and flat at the back, looking to use Sissoko on the right and Son on the left as running outlets should we ever win the ball back. Lamela hassling and assisting the weak player Sissoko is, and Dele floating around doing fuck all as he does - so just don't give him any proper defensive duties.
Kane dropping deep to allow some link up play as we can expect Son and Dele to be ready for attacking moves.

With;
Toby Davinson
Sissoko Dier Davies
Ndombele
Lamela Dele Son
Kane

Problem is I really don't trust Foyth, Kwp, Rose, Sessegnon, Winks, Aurier, Lucas, Wanyama, Eriksen as things stand.

We don't really have the pace for a high line, so avoid that and look to break against teams who dominate us - which evidently appears to be every single team in the league.

Experimental sure.. but we are at a point where performances AND results are complete shit. Anything new has got to be worth a go?

Everybody knows how vividly aware of this Mourinho will be. It won't be long until his 'my squad is amazing' rhetoric turns into 'this and that player let me down'.

It might be worth getting an early bet on us to win the Europa league in his first full season.
 
Reidy said:
He already has. Like i said 80k per week for Toby was more than enough, 150k is beyond crazy. A contract for another who cant run would be suicide. Jan should be thanked and let return to Ajax. Our defence is shit enough without guaranteeing its shitness long term
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Our individual players are not shit though, there’s a collective unity that is always let down by one of them an individual mistake though.
Why, I don’t know.

Last season Sanchez “was shit” now Jan “is shit” and Gray is better than Son and people pining for fucking Chadli over Moura, and Foyth “is shit”.

Bit of a pathetic bunch really.
People banging the Tangana drum yet come Monday they’ll want him loaned out to Runcorn.

I’ve seen a nice attitude swing on here though favouring young “lesser club” players etc and support for the policy.
Find it odd that not long ago the same approach was deemed shitting on the manager and we needed to spend big though...

I’d happily see the recalled kids given time and a young “b team” developed with Winks as its captain. Don’t know what formation but I’m dreaming of a SAFs 90s Utd style approach where our players will die for the shirt or be sent packing.
 
Yep, I don't disagree with any of that, and on balance would prefer it to what we have right now. It's not perfect, as it has in particular the problems that I mentioned, but i agree the pros outweigh the cons. :)
 
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