Honestly you’re so stubborn and averse to reasoning it’s not worth debating you. People like you and Phomesy listen to corporate press conference and take what is said as “facts”. It’s almost like you guys have no real grasp on what truth, logic or science actually is.
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Honestly you’re so stubborn and averse to reasoning it’s not worth debating you. People like you and Phomesy listen to corporate press conference and take what is said as “facts”. It’s almost like you guys have no real grasp on what truth, logic or science actually is.
Could you please link to this "case" please? I've looked and can't find anything you've written that includes actual evidence as opposed to conjecture. We've had this discussion before - none of your conjecture holds up to the actual evidence. Sorry. Fact don't respect your "feelings".
Sure buddy- look you and Richard Arlison are so naive you call interpretations of corporate statements in a press conference “facts”. And then lay out a speculative interpretation of fringe sub minutes also as “facts”.
There’s no point trying to debate with people like yourself. You don’t really seem to understand what constitute “facts”, “logic” or “truth”. And you’re so mean-spirited and egotistical you can’t even admit what is supposition and what an actual “fact” is.
Thank you for providing a voice of reason in this. Gray is clearly not a better FB than Spence, and minutes playing him there rather than Spence are strange and perhaps contractually mandated.
Imagine being such a footballing genius you can’t even identify who is the best player on your team, and leave them out of our most important cup squad?
“I think a major turnaround is Djed playing regularly at this level, just because he has hung around doesn’t mean that is a major turnaround.”
“I think a major turnaround is Djed playing regularly at this level, just because he has hung around doesn’t mean that is a major turnaround.”
It's embarrassing and only really stupid people are buying it. He could have been doing this for us 15 months ago.
Did you watch him at Genoa? Everytime I saw him there he did ok due to his physical attributes. But he was way of that he is now. There was quite some growth there. I mean he could have been better here, but he could as easiliy have been half the player he is now as he was when out on loan.
Would have been simpler, and more honest, just to write: "No I'm not going to engage in good faith nor provide an argument of substance"
Yes and I watched him at Forest, also at Leeds where he started fair got a knee injury and squeezed out. If he was half the player, he'd still have been twice as effective as an injured an exhausted Destiny Udogie and exhausted Pedro Porro, it's inexcusable and along with the cluster fu*k of the goalkeepers squad placements it makes me highly dubious about the intelligence of our coaches. I saw Spence live in the San Siro he looked the part in a Genoa side playing a much more tactical game than he was used to. Frankly he looked what he has become a very good prospect.
Well , even Gil have a place in La liga so...
Genoa could have had him for 8 million.
He's now twice the player he was while there.
Great story
So your point is he was less than half, if he wasn't worth the 8mil? Genoa is pretty skinned so I wouldn't put that much into itGenoa could have had him for 8 million.
He's now twice the player he was while there.
Great story
Genoa is in Italy
Ah, I unfortunately never saw him at Forest, just the highlights from the Chelsea game where he looked very good. So I can only judge what I saw from him in Serie A. Thanks for the insight. Serie A probably a good place to improve tactically.
No I think my point was that when he was at Genoa, Spence was a talented kid who was still on a journey to take the next required step. Genoa had the opportunity to help him take that step for 8 million. They choose not to.
Spence stayed at Spurs, took that next step (with the help of the coaching staff) and has now blossomed into one of England's best performing fullbacks. He'd be worth a minimum 40 million now.
It's a massive credit to him as a person. Great story.
Exactly
It’s fucking incredible how determined some people are to hijack Spence’s success story and make it a negative.
Once again Richard Arlison and Phomesy step in a do whatever they possibly can to shield Ange from any legitimate criticism.
People following the actual story in real time know Djed was marooned by Ange as a last choice afterthought. It's weird how desperate these two folks are to defend and rehabilitate Ange at every turn- almost as if there is no legitimate criticism possible of Ange!
People following the actual story in real time know Djed was marooned by Ange as a last choice afterthought. It's weird how desperate these two folks are to defend and rehabilitate Ange at every turn- almost as if there is no legitimate criticism possible of Ange!
Certain posters have spent a rather surprising amount of time soiling themselves in public in this thread. Then, when shown evidence that their shit doesn't fly, they've doubled down by swimming in said effluent and calling it chocolate sauce.
Pretty unedifying spectacle tbh.
Oh... speak of the devil
Quick! Hurry up and upvote each other!Certain posters have spent a rather surprising amount of time soiling themselves in public in this thread. Then, when shown evidence that their shit doesn't fly, they've doubled down by swimming in said effluent and calling it chocolate sauce.
Pretty unedifying spectacle tbh.
Oh... speak of the devil
This I agree with
Spence has succeeded despite Ange and deserves all the plaudits