Show's how poor our Managers have been over the past 15 or so years, the fact that Allardyce is being bandied about with little objection.
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He got Bolton into the UEFA cup, where they drew with Bayern in the group stage, beat Atletico in the first knockout stage over 2 legs, then lost to sporting in the last 16.
His book is a very good read, on par with Harry's tbh. I'd recommend it to anyone who might be curious or sceptical of his ability/mindset. Perhaps more interesting in sections. They've had very similar careers, except I would actually say that Sam has had more success with less opportunity.
I'd want Sam over anyone else, in all honesty. Not only because he seems like a nice bloke underneath the brash 'dragged up' exterior, but because I actually think he's the best candidate. Portugal, Iceland and Wales have shown that there is no merit in trying to play flashy football - the only thing that remains prominent in history is the name on a trophy.
Fair play but those european games were a decade ago and with the only good side he has ever had. I would never bass someones ability on their own book/autobiography all a bit self promotion for me, especially when they are still in the game.
For me it's not about flashy football, it's about playing football that the players already play and excel at for their clubs week in week out.
Are you comfortable in Alladyce having a positive effect on Alli, Kane, Dier, Rose & Walker's careers? For me I don't want him anywhere near them. Kane's international career would be all but finished as he recalls Andy Carroll for the team to lump it up to.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that the criteria you seek is, in any way, consistent with international managerial ability?
I think people forget that Allardyce might actually play attractive football if and when he gets decent players to field. Do people not remember who Bolton played with the team he put together?
I am applying what I think makes sense, I don't believe in having players playing out of position in systems that are alien to them.
The Bolton team was good if you look past the spiting Deouf but I remember his Newcastle, West Ham & Blackburn sides more, they were absolutely fucking awful to watch, ask their fans what they think of him as everyone of those teams held protests against him.
Eddie Howe is managing a side in the same echelons as Alladyce's Blackburn, Newcastle and West Ham. His side doesn't play like Alladyce, the results may be the same but the football is far, far better and he is loved at the club for it. (Unfortunately Howe will not want the job though). But if Howe is managing England with the current squad at his disposal I believe he will do a better job than Alladyce.
I take it you look forward to his impact on our boys?
If Allerdyce gets it I really will be done with English football.
What impact, though? He'll barely see them over 2 years. Even then, he's worked with a lot of talent over the years, and he can turn donkeys into footballers, implemented brilliant fitness and rehabilitation sciences, and gets the most out of shite players, so why would he be of detriment?
Glenn Hoddle was one of our best England managers of the last 30 years, and he was a raving looney with a spiritualist in the wings, very little experience, and didn't exactly put on a good show with the football he played.
He did okay with us, but that was only after a lot more experience.
I'm willing to put my pride on the table and say that he's the best man for the job - there's nothing I can do to convince people who think otherwise - people want England to win trophies, not look good losing.
He's Welsh. You need someone who can carry on the national pride like Hodgson did, as that is one of his successes.
Portugal hardly played pretty stuff yet won the Euro's. Allardyce will make us very hard to beat. Don't agree with his footballing style. However when you have the best English talent available let's see how he does. He's certainly not a yes man. If we're going English, might as well get as close to Mike Bassett as possible.
A man after my own heart!
Eddie Howe could be England's Joachim Low, says Danny Higginbotham
Eddie Howe could be England's Joachim Low, says Danny Higginbotham
The problems in English football are too endemic for another veteran short-term coach. What England need is a young manager with time to implement his vision.
England may be close to appointing Sam Allardyce as their new manager but in doing so they are missing out on a rare opportunity to build for the future. Allardyce is experienced but he would be a short-term fix, which is precisely the problem. What we need is a long-term commitment from a young manager with a clear sense of identity about what he wants to build. We need our own Joachim Low. And I believe that man is Eddie Howe.
One of the many problems with English football is that we think that every new manager comes in with a magic wand to make all our problems go away. But the reality of the situation is that the last few England managers did nothing to fix our national game. Sven-Goran Eriksson, Steve McClaren, Fabio Capello and Roy Hodgson all ended up being brought down by the same endemic problems in English football. I fear that Allardyce, although a good manager, would not address our deeper issues. We need a younger man who will want to the job for a longer time.
Capello was 63 years old when he took over as England manager. Hodgson was 62. Allardyce is 61. I have nothing against Allardyce as a manager but he would not be inheriting a good structure only in need of some quick leadership. This is a long-term job, a 10-year job, and I cannot see him suiting that.
International football is about identity, a clear way of playing, and that takes time to develop. I know Germany were disappointed by their semi-final exit at Euro 2016 but they have been the most consistent team in the world recently. And that is thanks to the long-term planning of Low, who was 46 years old when he took over as manager and had been involved in the set-up before then. Low was not especially experienced as a manger when he took the Germany job. He had managed 210 matches at club level, and won one German Cup with Stuttgart and one Austrian league with Tirol Innsbruck.
Or look at Chris Coleman. He was 41 years old and had managed for 326 games before taking over as Wales manager, at Fulham, Real Sociedad and Coventry City and in Greece. The best thing he had won was Manager of the Month. And yet look how he has proved himself a top class manager with his historic achievements with Wales.
What this shows is that experience is not the be-all and end-all of international management. It is more about finding someone with a vision, enthusiasm, and the time to deliver it. Eddie Howe is still just 38 years old and has far more experience – 375 matches as manager – than Low or Coleman did when they took their jobs. And he has achieved more too, having dragged Bournemouth up to the top flight and kept them there.
That is why I think that he would be the right man, at the right age, to tackle the long-term problems in English football. Some younger managers would get bored in a role only working with players every few months. But there is so much root-and-branch reform needed in our national game that Howe would always have to be busy trying to impose his vision across the whole football structure.
What we need is a manager to build a strong sense of footballing identity in England again. That is something that we have lacked recently, no more so than at Euro 2016. We need to know how England teams are meant to play, not just at senior level but at under-21, under-19 and under-17 level too. For too long we have been desperate to imitate the French way, or the German way, or the Spanish way, or the Dutch way, ignoring the fact that every other country will be far ahead of us in their own race. We need to rediscover an English style.
Clearly Howe is a manager with a strong sense of how he wants the game to be played. One of the many things I admired about him at Bournemouth is how he stuck to his principles even in October and November last season when they looked like they were in trouble. Those same principles kept Bournemouth up.
Then, we need to know why the top English teams are not producing as many good players as they used to. Why did so many of the England side at Euro 2016 develop away from our top flight clubs? Joe Hart at Shrewsbury, Dele Alli at MK Dons, Eric Dier in Portugal, Chris Smalling at Maidstone, Kyle Walker at Sheffield United and so on. Clearly there is a problem with our academies, and the players they produce are not good enough. That is why when players get released from top flight academies they tend to drop into the Football League, rather than staying in the Premier League.
And we need to bring these two issues together by making sure that our national age-group sides are all playing in the same way, picking the best players available to them and gaining experience of playing – and winning – at international tournaments. Why is it that from the last three European Under-21 Championships, England teams have gone out at the group stage three times in a row, winning just one game out of nine?
Just look at the importance of the 2009 under-21 champions to the Germany side who won the 2014 World Cup. Or even the Portuguese runners up of the 2015 tournament, featuring William Carvalho, Raphael Guerreiro and Joao Mario, all part of last week’s Euro 2016 champions.
Yet English age-group sides never play in the same way as the senior team. They never pick the best players available to them. And we wonder why our teams freeze when they have to make the step up to senior tournaments. English football desperately needs some joined-up thinking, one man with a clear vision for the development of the English game. This is a long-term job which needs a young manager to do it. Or we will be in the same miserable position again in two or four years time.
Eddie Howe could be England's Joachim Low, says Danny Higginbotham
Eddie Howe could be England's Joachim Low, says Danny Higginbotham
The problems in English football are too endemic for another veteran short-term coach. What England need is a young manager with time to implement his vision.
England may be close to appointing Sam Allardyce as their new manager but in doing so they are missing out on a rare opportunity to build for the future. Allardyce is experienced but he would be a short-term fix, which is precisely the problem. What we need is a long-term commitment from a young manager with a clear sense of identity about what he wants to build. We need our own Joachim Low. And I believe that man is Eddie Howe.
One of the many problems with English football is that we think that every new manager comes in with a magic wand to make all our problems go away. But the reality of the situation is that the last few England managers did nothing to fix our national game. Sven-Goran Eriksson, Steve McClaren, Fabio Capello and Roy Hodgson all ended up being brought down by the same endemic problems in English football. I fear that Allardyce, although a good manager, would not address our deeper issues. We need a younger man who will want to the job for a longer time.
Capello was 63 years old when he took over as England manager. Hodgson was 62. Allardyce is 61. I have nothing against Allardyce as a manager but he would not be inheriting a good structure only in need of some quick leadership. This is a long-term job, a 10-year job, and I cannot see him suiting that.
International football is about identity, a clear way of playing, and that takes time to develop. I know Germany were disappointed by their semi-final exit at Euro 2016 but they have been the most consistent team in the world recently. And that is thanks to the long-term planning of Low, who was 46 years old when he took over as manager and had been involved in the set-up before then. Low was not especially experienced as a manger when he took the Germany job. He had managed 210 matches at club level, and won one German Cup with Stuttgart and one Austrian league with Tirol Innsbruck.
Or look at Chris Coleman. He was 41 years old and had managed for 326 games before taking over as Wales manager, at Fulham, Real Sociedad and Coventry City and in Greece. The best thing he had won was Manager of the Month. And yet look how he has proved himself a top class manager with his historic achievements with Wales.
What this shows is that experience is not the be-all and end-all of international management. It is more about finding someone with a vision, enthusiasm, and the time to deliver it. Eddie Howe is still just 38 years old and has far more experience – 375 matches as manager – than Low or Coleman did when they took their jobs. And he has achieved more too, having dragged Bournemouth up to the top flight and kept them there.
That is why I think that he would be the right man, at the right age, to tackle the long-term problems in English football. Some younger managers would get bored in a role only working with players every few months. But there is so much root-and-branch reform needed in our national game that Howe would always have to be busy trying to impose his vision across the whole football structure.
What we need is a manager to build a strong sense of footballing identity in England again. That is something that we have lacked recently, no more so than at Euro 2016. We need to know how England teams are meant to play, not just at senior level but at under-21, under-19 and under-17 level too. For too long we have been desperate to imitate the French way, or the German way, or the Spanish way, or the Dutch way, ignoring the fact that every other country will be far ahead of us in their own race. We need to rediscover an English style.
Clearly Howe is a manager with a strong sense of how he wants the game to be played. One of the many things I admired about him at Bournemouth is how he stuck to his principles even in October and November last season when they looked like they were in trouble. Those same principles kept Bournemouth up.
Then, we need to know why the top English teams are not producing as many good players as they used to. Why did so many of the England side at Euro 2016 develop away from our top flight clubs? Joe Hart at Shrewsbury, Dele Alli at MK Dons, Eric Dier in Portugal, Chris Smalling at Maidstone, Kyle Walker at Sheffield United and so on. Clearly there is a problem with our academies, and the players they produce are not good enough. That is why when players get released from top flight academies they tend to drop into the Football League, rather than staying in the Premier League.
And we need to bring these two issues together by making sure that our national age-group sides are all playing in the same way, picking the best players available to them and gaining experience of playing – and winning – at international tournaments. Why is it that from the last three European Under-21 Championships, England teams have gone out at the group stage three times in a row, winning just one game out of nine?
Just look at the importance of the 2009 under-21 champions to the Germany side who won the 2014 World Cup. Or even the Portuguese runners up of the 2015 tournament, featuring William Carvalho, Raphael Guerreiro and Joao Mario, all part of last week’s Euro 2016 champions.
Yet English age-group sides never play in the same way as the senior team. They never pick the best players available to them. And we wonder why our teams freeze when they have to make the step up to senior tournaments. English football desperately needs some joined-up thinking, one man with a clear vision for the development of the English game. This is a long-term job which needs a young manager to do it. Or we will be in the same miserable position again in two or four years time.
After the Wally with the Brolly and Wanker Woy, the only question I'm left asking is how the fuck they were ever chosen in front of Sam in the first place.
Honest question, what were their credentials that Sam's weren't at the time of both their appointments ?
Typical FA wankathon, if it was raining soup them dopey cunts would choose to go outside with a knife and fork.
Del Bosque took over Spain near 60 and won the World Cup and the Euros.
McClaren had been assistant to Peter Taylor and Sven, so was well in the door. He was 45 when he got the England job, showing that the young option isn't an untrodden path.
Roy was matey with Brooking and a few of the other FA bods I believe. Harry mentions it in his book, but I glossed over the 200 pages or so of fucking whinging like a cunt, with not one mention of how guilty he felt for twatting about with a job he was never offered, whilst the team that supported him through thick and thin of his court case were left in the mire </rant>
McClaren had been assistant to Peter Taylor and Sven, so was well in the door. He was 45 when he got the England job, showing that the young option isn't an untrodden path.
Roy was matey with Brooking and a few of the other FA bods I believe. Harry mentions it in his book, but I glossed over the 200 pages or so of fucking whinging like a cunt, with not one mention of how guilty he felt for twatting about with a job he was never offered, whilst the team that supported him through thick and thin of his court case were left in the mire </rant>
Who cares about the quality of the football if you actually win a tournament, Portugal didn't and I'm sure England wouldn't.
Our tournament football has been shit and unsuccessful since the days of Hoddle, so the last thing I'd be worried about is how we play, one thing I am sure about is that we wouldn't have been freaked out of Euro 2016 by a fucking Iceland long throw if Fat Sam had been in charge instead of Wanker Woy.
Our tournament football has been shit and unsuccessful since the days of Hoddle, so the last thing I'd be worried about is how we play, one thing I am sure about is that we wouldn't have been freaked out of Euro 2016 by a fucking Iceland long throw if Fat Sam had been in charge instead of Wanker Woy.
Tbf all they needed to say was "we're considering Steve Bruce".........zero objections to Fat Sam from here on in
Howe is too inexperienced - hasn't managed the calibre of players or number of games to work.
He had more experience than both Low and Coleman when they took charge of their countries
Ok, let's take stock for a moment. Coleman had a good Euros, but he's not won anything.
It's like measuring the dentist who manages Iceland against Guardiola. In fact,
Heimir Hallgrímsson didn't have the world's most expensive player at his disposal.