Whereas Hoddles was what?
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Whereas Hoddles was what?
Don't know but he's won fuck all as well.
Pullis next surely. Followed by Warnock cos they all got passion.
Pullis is Welsh but don't tell the F.A.
We don't want him, you are very welcome.Pullis is Welsh but don't tell the F.A.
ochfacepalm: Thanks a fucking lot.
100% Hoddle win rate because he wasn't born "disabled"?
Was that joke a bit too raw/specialised? Probably.
Hmm.. as opposed to (competition results):
Hodgson (2012 WC QF, 2014 WC group stage, 2016 EC last 16)
International Management experience, won various leagues/cups as manager in Europe, got to finals of European Cup with both Inter and Fulham, former LMA manager of the year, Knighted in Finland
Capello (2010 WC 2nd round)
Highly decorated foreign manager, with various league titles and high win % from managing Real, Roma, Milan and Juventus
Steve McClaren (failed to qualify for WC 2008)
Young, ambious manager with potential and previous England coaching experience, also having been Alex Ferguson's protégé, and won the League Cup with Middlesbrough at a mere 42 years old.
Sven-Göran Eriksson (WC QF 02, EC QF 04, WC QF 06)
Highly decorated foreign manager, with various league titles and high win % from managing Benfica, Roma, Sampdoria and Lazio
Kevin Keegan (2000 EC group stage)
Highly decorated former player, twice won the Ballon D'or, in the English Players hall of fame, in Top 100 FIFA players (not the computer game), with experience winning promotion to the PL with Newcastle, finishing 2nd in the PL twice, then winning Div 2 with Fulham.
Then Glenn Hoddle, arguably our best modern era England manager, who achieved next to nothing before becoming our manager and reaching the Semis of Euro 96.
What mistake are they making twice??? What are they not learning from?
Bring on Sam, I say.
Stats are stats no doubt about it, I was more referring to the fact that we keep employing useless Wankers..
Either of the two in the frame would continue the trend.
I think it's harsh to judge Allardyce until he's had a chance.
Look what he did with West Ham - man can polish a turd.
What did he do with West Ham?
If your answer is promotion then that is no different than Bruce, except of course Bruce isn't the 6th highest paid manager in World football as Jabba was. He also was promoted via the play offs by the skin of his teeth with the highest paid squad in the League, so their is an argument he under achieved. I bet he didn't right that in his autobiography.
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I don't understand two things here:
a) Your detest for Allardyce (it isn't argued with logic)
b) Why you think that being paid more makes him less of a manager
I guess you think Darren Ferguson is a better manager than his dad, on that logic?
Bruce spent £41m the season they went down - £10m more than Allardyce.
He spent £10m more the season before too.
On your point of "promoted via the play offs by the skin of his teeth with the highest paid squad in the League", I'd first point out that Bruce also got promoted via the play offs - but once of them had a speciality: Allardyce did it with a team of loanees and free transfers.
The reason why I'd pick Allardyce over Bruce? Allardyce is a proven specialist at making the most of very little. Would Mourinho, Guardiola or Ancelotti do any better in the same situation? Not saying Sam is anything like those managers, but he's got a completely different success rate in a completely different set of challenges.
Being England manager fits these same challenges - making do with what you have. You have to pick from what you've got, and find a way to win even if it isn't pretty. You've got to laugh off criticism and have a thick skin, yet with a certain level of arrogance.
There's not a better fit on paper, IMO.
You cunts got a new manager yet?
So what was it that he achieved at West Ham? Not sure you have thrilled me with his achievements you alluded to, especially those that would make him a standout candidate for an England Manager.
To answer your question about why I hate him, it's simple, I think he is shit. With the exception of Bolton fans he is dispised by the fans of the clubs he managed. His win percentage is shite, his style of football is shite. He has never been close to managing a big club, I wonder why. Your argument for him to be manager can also be applied to other perennial relagation threatened manners, nothing special, nothing amazing, nothing unique. They all play with a block, waste time after 5 mins, hoof it and loose more than they win, could even be argued that he is not actually as good at doing this, look at Liecester, why didn't any of his teams achieve more with these tactics given a team has one the league paying them.
His appointment lacks ambition, lacks foresight. Looking at the England squad and the style of football most of them play at their clubs why not appoint a manager that is also known for that style of play rather than one that isn't. I want a manager with a degree of gravitas, a manager who hasn't been previously slammed, a manager that has no skeletons in his closet, a manager that can help mould and create an identity of football for the long term, an identity that is admired and an identity that a manager is already known for.
I hate the football that Alladyce is known for. I hate Alladyce because of it.
Guido - every club that doesn't have deluded fans liked and wanted him. Bolton went to shit after he left, Blackburn went to shit after he left, Newcastle went to shit after he left... He didn't get half a chance at Newcastle, and both the barcodes and west ham fans disliked him because he wasn't winning things at the clubs which have never won anything. Deluded fans is all.
Lol at wanting to hire a manager based on "style of play". No one wins a competitive tournament based on that. What you want is the same old shit - England winning all the group games then failing in style at knockouts
Lol at wanting to hire a manager based on "style of play". No one wins a competitive tournament based on that. What you want is the same old shit - England winning all the group games then failing in style at knockouts
I'm pretty sure Terry Venables' piss would be boiling to read that statement.
Anyway, Allardyce is delusional. He's a clogging mid table manager who thinks he could turn it on if only he had the backing... But he has now, at a few clubs and he still plays shit functional football despite thinking he's one of the most cultured managers in world football.
2010:
"I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn, I would be more suited to Inter or Real Madrid,"
2012:
"I won’t ever be going to a top-four club because I’m not called Allardici, just Allardyce."
2015
“I don’t think there is any coach more sophisticated than me any more, that’s not trying to criticise any other coaches. But there is only Arsene Wenger who has done it longer than me. I’m just as good as everybody at this stage.”
He might try and laugh these off but many a true word is said in jest, the guy actually thinks if the world would get off his back he'd be a world beater.
It'll be another four years of England apathy for me thanks Bob
Because Allardyce is a salt of the earth type guy he always gets cast as a no-talent, simple, hoof and chase clogger merchant who can't play a sophisticated brand of football....
Firstly, international management doesn't afford you the luxury of a detailed philosophy because of the limited time spent with the squad. Secondly, Allardyce has always pioneered new technology, Prozone GPS tracking, player heart rate tracking etc.
Whether he would be a success or not is unknown, but for people to write him off based on the clubs he has previously managed is a little short-sighted. There is no outstanding candidate, so I'd give the guy a go.
Firstly, international management doesn't afford you the luxury of a detailed philosophy because of the limited time spent with the squad. Secondly, Allardyce has always pioneered new technology, Prozone GPS tracking, player heart rate tracking etc.
Whether he would be a success or not is unknown, but for people to write him off based on the clubs he has previously managed is a little short-sighted. There is no outstanding candidate, so I'd give the guy a go.
Rubbish, apart from Bolton he was booed out of the door, he was hated in no uncertain terms. Calling fans deluded because they think there Manager was a negative, boring cunt who played shit football whilst loosing more games than they won is disrespectful to those fans and their wishes on how they want their club to play football that they pay a fortune to watch.
To say Newcastle went backwards after he left is twisting the truth, they went down after he left, once gaining promotion (finishing champions as a team with the financial resources you would expect, back to WHU's promotion year argument) they went onto finish higher than Alladyce in their first year back, they did it again the 2nd year and the 3rd and the 4th and the 5th!!!! In the world I live in that is not going backwards.
Style of play - So you want Alladyce because he will win a tournament!!! What?! He has won fuck all playing his style of football, fuck all!!!! 25yrs of Management no FA Cup, no League Cup's, no cups! These are tournaments right????
I am not expecting England to win a tournament, why would I? We have won 1 thing in our history. I am expecting England manager to get the most out of the talent available to him, that talent that we watch week in, week out at Spurs. I want an England Manager to take players like Dier, Alli, Kane, Walker, Rose, Clyne, Lalanna, Stones, Welbeck, Barclay, Sterling, Sturidge etc all playing in week in, week out in a style of play that can be deemed attractive football, all used to playing in this style, many catching the worlds eye in this style of football. I want a manger to recognise this is how they play for their clubs, I want a manger who plays these players in their positions in their system they play all the time, I want a manager who has embraced this style of play, who is noted for this style of play. Why? because it makes sense, it's a continuation and is seamless.
Sam Alladyce is "the same old shit"!!! The only time we have been half decent is when we have had Managers who were noted for playing an attractive style of football (Hoddle, Venables & Robson), it is you my friend that wants "the same old shit".
Best man for the job is clearly Mauricio Pochettino, however I don't want him as England manager and I would prefer him to stay with us and finish building a legacy that we as Spurs fans can be proud of. I couldn't give two hoots about England, or whether our boys are picked to play as they only get ruined by the idiots that support our rivals. The England team are overhyped and lets face it we've not actually been an international force for years. We had done well getting to quarters where we are found out by better organised sides. We've lucked out a few times to get to the odd semi. Ultimately the passion and organisation is not there yet the expectation from us fans is that we should be challenging. I think Greece 2004 and Portugal 2016 have proven you don't need a coach who is highly decorated. Give Allardyce a chance, we've given everyone else a go. Or failing that give it to Redknapp. The FA are not going to be progressive enough to find a non-English manager again. It is 2016, in a post #Brexit world English for England manager and all that.
My choice would be Eddie Howe- with perhaps Redknapp in a senior statesman role. We do know that Redknapp is a good man manager & having him there as a sounding board wouldn't be a bad idea. But I do rate Howe very highly & whilst I'm afraid I don't have any real enthusiasm for the national team any more, I do think he's worth a punt.