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ENIC In or ENIC Out

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cretinousgoat said:
Using this thread to add the additional naysayers to ignore. It's taking a fucking while but I'll get there!
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dustybin said:
I’m not blaming them for miss controlling a ball or not picking up a man at a corner, I’m saying they are responsible for the culture and mentality of the club where results like this happen over many different managers/players/time, Portsmouth game is just an extreme consequence/example of this if you want to fixate on that one game it’s fine it doesn’t take away from the point. We also had a final to win as well. I’m not absolving blame to individual players as at the time I would of criticised them but they move on, new managers and players come in similar happens then you need to start looking deeper.

As an owner you’re responsible for the success of your team but you get to walk away with £2b, that’s the deal. You can portion blame too particular managers/players but they all just pass through. They can’t effect things when they leave, the owners still can and if it keeps on happening then you have to realise you’re getting something wrong be it selection of manager, recruitment, investment, timing of that investment, prioritising Particular competitions or whatever it may be.

Conte is a great appointment but like any manager you’re only as good as the board allows you to be. He doesn’t seem in a rush to sign a new contract, how much trust and faith does he really have in these owners, same as Kane and he’s had his fingers burnt before. The investment is a 1-2 time thing which increases their shareholding it’s not going to be a regular occurrence. It may push us over the line with Conte I hope so but I’m not confident and it feels very fragile at the moment.

I’m not losing my shit I actually brush off the defeats and wins very quickly now because I know it’s not going to go anywhere, the belief is gone and for me at least thats down to the owners. If you’ve still got faith after everything you’ve seen then good on you I say.
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Sorry but this is surface level analysis, you can't proportion blame on just purely one factor and come to a conclusion like that. What we're arguing is our pitiful trophy record. The culture and mentality may have been engineered by ENIC which may have held us back us in winning trophies on a semi regular basis but the ultimate point is that we ought to have picked up more pots than 1 measly trophy in 22 fucking years, that's the point.

Wigan, Middlesbrough, Birmingham, Swansea, Leicester are some of the teams who have won trophies more recently than us...what are we putting that down to?, do all of those clubs have a better culture and mentality than us? Are they clubs who have tended to prioritise trophies more than us in that time, I don't think so...so you have to look at the context of each circumstances and analyse why we didn't win.

Portsmouth game was an extreme example, I've already mentioned others matches where we ought to have done better on the day if you were reading what I said, there's been plenty of other matches where we've failed due to bad luck, bad decisions from board, managers and players, plain old bottling...that's a mixture of things which you can point the finger at all parties, not one.

Our previous regime under Sugar was the same wasn't it? Albeit sugar was in change for a shorter time? Are we saying that ENIC have set exactly the same culture as he did because it's night and day from where I'm standing.

As for the Conte thing you're just going to have to wait I guess, everything signals that they are ready to back him and we've had evidence so far that they have.
 
Shadydan said:
sugar was in change for a shorter time? Are we saying that ENIC have set exactly the same culture
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Anyone who thinks that the Sugar culture was the same as ENIC is a total nob — despite Alan being a relatively local lad, pretty much saving us and being a massive Spurs fan.

Someone needs to explain to me how ENIC have built a side capable of getting top 4 — literally one of the best four teams in the league over a season — beating the champions home and away yet not build a team capable of winning a trophy.
 
TheGhost said:
Anyone who thinks that the Sugar culture was the same as ENIC is a total nob — despite Alan being a relatively local lad, pretty much saving us and being a massive Spurs fan.

Someone needs to explain to me how ENIC have built a side capable of getting top 4 — literally one of the best four teams in the league over a season — beating the champions home and away yet not build a team capable of winning a trophy.
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No one’s said anything about Sugar, shadyDan was straw manning and now you’re calling people nobs for something no one’s brought up lol.

Regarding the second paragraph it would be nice to know that too.
 
dustybin said:
No one’s said anything about Sugar, shadyDan was straw manning and now you’re calling people nobs for something no one’s brought up lol.

Regarding the second paragraph it would be nice to know that too.
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Straw manning or using a direct example to a previous regime which had exactly the same outcome in terms of trophy haul

Don't blame me if you can't answer the question, it was fairly straight forward I thought :D
 
When will our annual fiscal report be released?

It’s Nov next week and our end of financial year was June ffs. Does Daniel need to upgrade to Office 2007?
 
dustybin said:
I don’t think they’ve been terrible owners. They have increased revenue so theoretically we should be able to compete. Safe but self serving I would describe them. I just hope they aren’t waiting for an unrealistic offer and someone with a similar mindset. I just want someone who actually gives it a go even if they don’t get it right.

Watching that Amazon documentary I don’t know how anyone has confidence in them. They seem full of excuses and there’s yes people everywhere behind the scenes.
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They never bought the club for sporting excellence/achievement.
It's was bought because they saw an opportunity to make money and increase their portfolio/investment set up.
They might not be the worst owners, but certainly they can't be classified as particularly great ones.
It might be difficult to find someone willing to part with the type of money they would want, we have all seen how much levy overprices everything when we are selling.
 
skywalker68 said:
They never bought the club for sporting excellence/achievement.
It's was bought because they saw an opportunity to make money and increase their portfolio/investment set up.
They might not be the worst owners, but certainly they can't be classified as particularly great ones.
It might be difficult to find someone willing to part with the type of money they would want, we have all seen how much levy overprices everything when we are selling.
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Spot on. Views are polarised with this lot, but don’t see how anyone can argue with this….. not the worst, but not particularly great. They’ve done well with infrastructure etc but that’s likely due to the personal vested interest in growing the revenue of their investment which is to be expected
 
skywalker68 said:
Well said mate, the club never takes advantage of momentum, it has been seen a number of times over the years missed opportunities.
I think we are playing the waiting game now, just need a big hitter to come and buy the club there are people out there.
I would imagine the next owners will be American, especially as we have the best NFL stadium outside the US.
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No one is paying even remotely close to what the asking price will be

We're stuck with them
 
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