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I was driving down the Holloway Road yesterday , there was a Just Stop Oil protest , they had less people than the Levy Out protests

I love British apathy ,

The world is going to die soon will you join our protest?

Sorry mate , it clashes with Bargain Hunt then Countdown
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True, what's galling about this season, however, is that we haven't seen the Saudi effect at Newcastle yet. They just hired the manager that we arguably should have hired (but thought was beneath us) and signed the right back that we shouldn't have sold (and I was happy to see him sold, so I'll hold my hand up on that one).

The biggest failing, in my eyes, this season is we never seemed to have a post-Conte plan. If you employ Conte, you should always have a post-Conte plan...the man's employment history makes that plain as day.
There isn't going to be much of a Saudi effect at Newcastle, at least as far as money is concerned. Gone are those days. There might be a 10-15% bump in their revenues with some dodgy sponsorship deals, but that's about it. However, they will probably be run much better than Ashley did, and that's what will make the difference. The signs of this are already evident and them getting CL has just moved the process along much faster than even they expected.
 
Looking back now fair play to Sugar for selling the club after realising that he couldn't take the club any further and the fans had had enough.

Enic and Levy should do the same. The club desperately needs a change of ownership.
 
There isn't going to be much of a Saudi effect at Newcastle, at least as far as money is concerned. Gone are those days. There might be a 10-15% bump in their revenues with some dodgy sponsorship deals, but that's about it. However, they will probably be run much better than Ashley did, and that's what will make the difference. The signs of this are already evident and them getting CL has just moved the process along much faster than even they expected.
This is naive. There's plenty of room for a nation state, particularly one with as much economic/political leverage as Saudi, to pump the club full of cash while keeping the books up to scratch for inspection. What's gonna be the value of their Aramco sponsorship? How much will Saudia pay for the shirt/stadium sponsorship? All they need to satisfy FFP is show that their sponsorships are "market value", which means they can simply use United as a stalking horse find a patsy company to leverage into filing an official dummy offer, then have one of their dirty nationalized companies pip the dummy offer by a pence. Suddenly Newcastle becomes one of the highest revenue clubs in the world.

These people killed and dismembered an American permanent resident journalist in the Turkey embassy. You really think FFP is gonna get in their way?
 
How much will Saudia pay for the shirt/stadium sponsorship?
Only about 2/3 of what AIA pays us, reportedly.

The thing about the new UEFA regulations, which was also true of FFP, is that they say "you may inject outside cash into the club up to X amount", and X is a not-insignificant amount of money.

Newcastle can follow the rules and still "dope" the club relatively liberally, especially if they're able to make and stay in the CL.

These rules, enforced properly, make the game MORE appealing to deep-pocketed ownership groups, not less. Which was their intent in many ways.

I feel like people consistently look through the wrong end of the telescope on this stuff.
 
There isn't going to be much of a Saudi effect at Newcastle, at least as far as money is concerned. Gone are those days. There might be a 10-15% bump in their revenues with some dodgy sponsorship deals, but that's about it. However, they will probably be run much better than Ashley did, and that's what will make the difference. The signs of this are already evident and them getting CL has just moved the process along much faster than even they expected.
I seriously believe that they're going to spend big this summer and spread it over 4 years.

I hope I'm wrong though.
 
I seriously believe that they're going to spend big this summer and spread it over 4 years.

I hope I'm wrong though.

They are 100% making a statement this summer.

May not be as devastating as people fear though. They still aren't established enough to appeal to legit top end stars. They will need to be smart and some of their key players like Trippier won't be half as effective playing twice a week next season.

They are still due a bad season where they use it as an excuse to drop Howe for a big foreign name.
 
This is naive. There's plenty of room for a nation state, particularly one with as much economic/political leverage as Saudi, to pump the club full of cash while keeping the books up to scratch for inspection. What's gonna be the value of their Aramco sponsorship? How much will Saudia pay for the shirt/stadium sponsorship? All they need to satisfy FFP is show that their sponsorships are "market value", which means they can simply use United as a stalking horse find a patsy company to leverage into filing an official dummy offer, then have one of their dirty nationalized companies pip the dummy offer by a pence. Suddenly Newcastle becomes one of the highest revenue clubs in the world.

These people killed and dismembered an American permanent resident journalist in the Turkey embassy. You really think FFP is gonna get in their way?
This is exactly what they're going to do, but as I said in my original post, I don't think it will result in more than a 10-15% revenue increase. 25% if you're really pushing it. But they're not going from ~180 million turnover to 300-400 million in the space of a year. They will have to "earn" that by building their brand name and consistent top-4 finishes.
 
They didn't buy Newcastle to run 4th, or to win the league a decade from now.
But that's what I'm saying, they have a ton of scope to spend within the rules, especially now that they've made CL.

They have seen what happened at City and PSG. They want to be the former.

I expect the continuation of what we've already seen, constant, methodical investment in emerging talent entering their prime years at whatever positions would be useful in any given window.

I don't mean to say there will never or could never be tension there with the new FFP. There can be and surely will be, and prior nation state projects have been serial violators. But we aren't there yet, and the intent of the suite of changes that have been made is to enhance the spending ability of the incumbent revenue elite, not constrain it.

Newcastle timed their emergence as a CL club very well, we timed our slide from that level very poorly.

But they're not going from ~180 million turnover to 300-400 million in the space of a year.
Yes they will.
 
But that's what I'm saying, they have a ton of scope to spend within the rules, especially now that they've made CL.

They have seen what happened at City and PSG. They want to be the former.

I expect the continuation of what we've already seen, constant, methodical investment in emerging talent entering their prime years at whatever positions would be useful in any given window.

I don't mean to say there will never or could never be tension there with the new FFP. There can be and surely will be, and prior nation state projects have been serial violators. But we aren't there yet, and the intent of the suite of changes that have been made is to enhance the spending ability of the incumbent revenue elite, not constrain it.

Newcastle timed their emergence as a CL club very well, we timed our slide from that level very poorly.


Yes they will.
I think they will, contrary to City, not just blantantly disregard the rules right out of the gate. But spending will increase significantly beginning this summer and they will look to bring in a few more established players this window. They need to buttress that top 4 position. They've displaced us, Liverpool, and Chelsea - they can't expect to hold that place without substantial investment.

They may not be looking for the league next season, but I think they have every intention of winning it the season after. That gives them 4 windows of spending and 2 CL windows, plus the stadium/shirt rights and a host of other juiced sponsorships they can arrange between now and then to assemble the squad required.

I suspect they will likely have back channeled with Harry's dim brother than if he sees out his deal with us they stuff his pockets full for coming on a free.
 
Newcastle will spend shitloads.

They will take advantage of their CL qualification and new ownership. New sponsorship deals will emerge over the next 12 months.

Any suggestion they will not is pure copium.
 
I agree that they have to be a player for Kane.

Is burning their FFP flexibility to meet Levy's valuation right now a smarter play than taking the risk of everything working out in a year? Difficult one.
Again, these are the same people that killed and dismembered a journalist in a Turkish embassy. I don't think they're risking anything waiting until next year for Harry. If that's their plan (and I think it is), it's already done. They'll have waved some of that Ronaldo cash under Charlie's nose.

I think Haaland working out at City has made it a guarantee. Only Saudi can now offer Kane the chance to see out his career as the highest earner in the PL while setting the English scoring record and the chance to cash big checks well into his 40s as a player/ambassador for the Saudi "league".

United can only offer him a few years salary before he drops off. Bu hooking up with Newcastle he stands to rake in £500M or more over the next decade plus.
 
Newcastle will spend shitloads.

They will take advantage of their CL qualification and new ownership. New sponsorship deals will emerge over the next 12 months.

Any suggestion they will not is pure copium.
Doesn’t really impact our ambition. We are in a dogfight with Villa, Fulham, Palace etc for 7th. 6th and Europa is nothing but a pipe dream next season, we are absolutely fucked - club is on fire
 
Again, these are the same people that killed and dismembered a journalist in a Turkish embassy. I don't think they're risking anything waiting until next year for Harry. If that's their plan (and I think it is), it's already done. They'll have waved some of that Ronaldo cash under Charlie's nose.

I think Haaland working out at City has made it a guarantee. Only Saudi can now offer Kane the chance to see out his career as the highest earner in the PL while setting the English scoring record and the chance to cash big checks well into his 40s as a player/ambassador for the Saudi "league".

United can only offer him a few years salary before he drops off. Bu hooking up with Newcastle he stands to rake in £500M or more over the next decade plus.
There is risk on all parties' sides until a done deal is a done deal.

Having said that, you describe a pretty darned plausible scenario.

The one thing Newcastle does NOT get in that deal though is the use of Harry Kane in 23/24, which is a resource I'm sure they'd like.
 
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