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Management Eric Ten Hag - What's Your View ?

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spurs9 said:
Hence, why I mentioned style of play and not just formations.

But anyway, you are talking 3 to 4 players in the 1st 11 that came through that set up, he still has the other 7 or 8 in the team playing the same way that they signed from other clubs.
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Wait your your talking about the formation because I'm not talking about the formation? No offence I really don't know what conversation you're having. Ditto your latest point about the players in Ajax's first eleven.

I'll try and clarify. I am saying beware of any coach that is a success at Ajax they for a myriad of reason that I'm not interested in(I support spurs, and come here to talk about things regarding them) are a unique club. That was all. Not at all interested in the wider conversation about Ajax you seem to be having.
 
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StripiestPilot said:
There must be something off with this bloke because he's never linked to big clubs and we supposedly weren't impressed with him when we spoke to him.

Probably best to be wary of a manager who missed out on a CL final because he forgot to tell his team to take the ball towards the corner flag.
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I dont think a manager a that level can be blamed for that. If players on the pitch are that thick well thats the players
 
spurs9 said:
At Bayern II, he had them scoring the most goals they have ever scored in the league.

At Utrecht, he was also DOF as well as manager, so he actually set the foundations for them to be able to succeed after him.

Also, his Ajax team equaled a goal scoring record (fewest number of games to reach 82 goals if I recall), that was set by the Cryffs great Ajax side in the 80s, a feat even Louis van Gaals Ajax didn't manage.

His Ajax team also scored the 2nd most goals in Eredivisie history scoring just 3 less than the record Ajax set in the 66/67 season.

Other than Frank De Boer, what other successful Ajax manager has had a terrible history outside of Ajax?
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Counting backwards from ETH

Keizer was sacked from Ajax and now manages in the UAE.

Bosz was sacked at Dortmund and then Leverkusen and now lies 7th with Lyon.

de Boer

Jol

Van Basten went 27-18-27 at Heereveen, then stressed out in months at AZ

Adrie Koster bounced around with stops at Brugge and an assistant job at Stuttgart, and is currently managing Willem II where he's soundly average.

ten Cate was so wanted, Chelsea bought him as a coach, was sacked along with Grant, resigned from Panathinaikos when they stopped paying him, then wandered around the middle east.

Danny Blind

Koeman

Co Adriaanse had middling success in brief stops at AZ and Porto, anonymously floated through Salzburg for a stop, got sacked at Twente, then resigned from an advisory role at Twente

Jan Wouters never got a full managerial gig except a couple years at Utrecht, where he had one good finish followed by a series of mid-table finishes before walking out

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 15 years and failed to qualify for more major competitions than he qualified for

Louis van Gaal



Not going to go any further back, because I'm tired of the subject. Jol and de Boer are the only 2 managers there since LvG that managed at a high level. Jol was on his way down when he was there, and de Boer flamed out (after many on TFC begged for him).

Is ten Hag different? Will he be majorly successful at a bigger club than Ajax? Its a resounding maybe from me. Again, I'd have taken him cautiously. But I'm not gonna sit here and act like he's the savior we missed out on. The odds are he isn't.
 
MemphisWill said:
How bizarre is football?

What will it take to get you on board with this senior VP spot, Matt?

Sack 25% of the staff, replace the HR department head, and give me a recruitment budget equal to 1/3rd our annual turnover to bring in my own people.

Where else in life would it not be assumed you'd hang up on that joker, much less get ridiculed for not saying yes?

A major factor in appointing any manager simply has to be can they work with what they have been given, at least in some part. Outside the oil clubs, no one can afford wholesale sea-change in a playing squad at this level.
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Think of THFC as a dodgy restaurant that's barely getting customers through the door and Conte as Gordon Ramsey
 
I'm out on this guy.

Potter, we went flaccid before, perhaps. Would rather we go raging boner for him, give him the ticks he wants in influence and control of whatever first team matters he feels he needs, making him know he's our guy.

Or, Gallardo. Two coaches ready for the next step. Big tick for being Argentine.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Wait your your talking g about the formation because I'm not talking about the formation? No offence I really don't know what conversation you're having. Ditto your latest point about the players in Ajax's first eleven.

I'll try and clarify. I am saying beware of any coach that is a success at Ajax they for a myriad of reason that I'm not interested in(I support spurs, and come here to talk about things regarding them) are a unique club. That was all. Not at all interested in the wider conversation about Ajax you seem to be having.
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I said I wasn't JUST talking about formations, meaning you were ignoring the part about the style of play changing.

Fair enough we will leave it there.
 
MemphisWill said:
Counting backwards from ETH

Keizer was sacked from Ajax and now manages in the UAE.

Bosz was sacked at Dortmund and then Leverkusen and now lies 7th with Lyon.

de Boer

Jol

Van Basten went 27-18-27 at Heereveen, then stressed out in months at AZ

Adrie Koster bounced around with stops at Brugge and an assistant job at Stuttgart, and is currently managing Willem II where he's soundly average.

ten Cate was so wanted, Chelsea bought him as a coach, was sacked along with Grant, resigned from Panathinaikos when they stopped paying him, then wandered around the middle east.

Danny Blind

Koeman

Co Adriaanse had middling success in brief stops at AZ and Porto, anonymously floated through Salzburg for a stop, got sacked at Twente, then resigned from an advisory role at Twente

Jan Wouters never got a full managerial gig except a couple years at Utrecht, where he had one good finish followed by a series of mid-table finishes before walking out

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 15 years and failed to qualify for more major competitions than he qualified for

Louis van Gaal



Not going to go any further back, because I'm tired of the subject. Jol and de Boer are the only 2 managers there since LvG that managed at a high level. Jol was on his way down when he was there, and de Boer flamed out (after many on TFC begged for him).

Is ten Hag different? Will he be majorly successful at a bigger club than Ajax? Its a resounding maybe from me. Again, I'd have taken him cautiously. But I'm not gonna sit here and act like he's the savior we missed out on. The odds are he isn't.
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I said successful managers, you wouldn't expect managers that failed at Ajax to succeed elsewhere.

So if you want to go far as back as van Gaal that would be:

Frank de Boer - who we have already said has been a failure.

Ronaldo Koeman - Took Southampton to there highest ever PL finish, so did even better than Poch there. Sacked by Everton but they haven't been as good since despite spending lots of money, so he obviously wasn't the problem.
 
spurs9 said:
I said successful managers, you wouldn't expect managers that failed at Ajax to succeed elsewhere.

So if you want to go far as back as van Gaal that would be:

Frank de Boer - who we have already said has been a failure.

Ronaldo Koeman - Took Southampton to there highest ever PL finish, so did even better than Poch there. Sacked by Everton but they haven't been as good since despite spending lots of money, so he obviously wasn't the problem.
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You conveniently leave out Koeman's results at Barca there.

Point just being that ten Hag may come good. He equally may not. Acting as though its a no brainer to appoint him is a bit rich. He was one of the candidates, and it appeared as though we were probably more interested in him than he was us.
 
MemphisWill said:
You conveniently leave out Koeman's results at Barca there.

Point just being that ten Hag may come good. He equally may not. Acting as though its a no brainer to appoint him is a bit rich. He was one of the candidates, and it appeared as though we were probably more interested in him than he was us.
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So who is the no brainer appointment??

Because very clearly, Nuno was appointed by someone without a brain.
 
MemphisWill said:
You conveniently leave out Koeman's results at Barca there.

Point just being that ten Hag may come good. He equally may not. Acting as though its a no brainer to appoint him is a bit rich. He was one of the candidates, and it appeared as though we were probably more interested in him than he was us.
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Not conveniently at all, just using the teams that are most relevant to us. Everyone knew Koeman would fail at Barca and were surprised at the appointment, his style just doesn't suit them.

Not saying Ten Hag is a no brainer, truth is, I don't think there is a coach on the planet (even Conte) who guarantees success here, but I bet Ten Hag will get us playing some lovely football, which would be very welcome right now.
 
spurs9 said:
Not conveniently at all, just using the teams that are most relevant to us. Everyone knew Koeman would fail at Barca and were surprised at the appointment, his style just doesn't suit them.

Not saying Ten Hag is a no brainer, truth is, I don't think there is a coach on the planet (even Conte) who guarantees success here, but I bet Ten Hag will get us playing some lovely football, which would be very welcome right now.
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I'm not sure anyone with this cast could have us playing lovely football, honestly. Our midfield is just shit, from an attacking perspective. The one talented attacking midfielder we have can't be arsed to stop daydreaming about France and play football.
 
MemphisWill said:
Counting backwards from ETH

Keizer was sacked from Ajax and now manages in the UAE.

Bosz was sacked at Dortmund and then Leverkusen and now lies 7th with Lyon.

de Boer

Jol

Van Basten went 27-18-27 at Heereveen, then stressed out in months at AZ

Adrie Koster bounced around with stops at Brugge and an assistant job at Stuttgart, and is currently managing Willem II where he's soundly average.

ten Cate was so wanted, Chelsea bought him as a coach, was sacked along with Grant, resigned from Panathinaikos when they stopped paying him, then wandered around the middle east.

Danny Blind

Koeman

Co Adriaanse had middling success in brief stops at AZ and Porto, anonymously floated through Salzburg for a stop, got sacked at Twente, then resigned from an advisory role at Twente

Jan Wouters never got a full managerial gig except a couple years at Utrecht, where he had one good finish followed by a series of mid-table finishes before walking out

Morten Olsen managed Denmark for 15 years and failed to qualify for more major competitions than he qualified for

Louis van Gaal



Not going to go any further back, because I'm tired of the subject. Jol and de Boer are the only 2 managers there since LvG that managed at a high level. Jol was on his way down when he was there, and de Boer flamed out (after many on TFC begged for him).

Is ten Hag different? Will he be majorly successful at a bigger club than Ajax? Its a resounding maybe from me. Again, I'd have taken him cautiously. But I'm not gonna sit here and act like he's the savior we missed out on. The odds are he isn't.
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Ok so this is what I was trying to say without the actual home work. Brilliant post end of conversation imho. Its a unique club outside LVG id avoid their coaches.
 
MemphisWill said:
I'm not sure anyone with this cast could have us playing lovely football, honestly. Our midfield is just shit, from an attacking perspective. The one talented attacking midfielder we have can't be arsed to stop daydreaming about France and play football.
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Gravenberch is the only central midfielder they have that could get our side. Lo Celso would love ETH's system, it would get the best out of him. Their midfield last season was Gravenberch, Alverez and Klaasen.
 
spurs9 said:
Gravenberch is the only central midfielder they have that could get our side. Lo Celso would love ETH's system, it would get the best out of him. Their midfield last season was Gravenberch, Alverez and Klaasen.
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Alverez is vastly superior to PEH, far less limited, much better range of passing, better defensively and a better tackler.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Ok so this is what I was trying to say without the actual home work. Brilliant post end of conversation imho. Its a unique club outside LVG id avoid their coaches.
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If only it was that simple.

But as mentioned ETH has done well at other clubs and then Ajax. At a time when clubs like Chavski, Citeh, Barca, Liverwank, Real etc are miles ahead of the normal clubs, Ten Hag has made Ajax compete with big clubs.

Yes he has been helped by having talents like De Ligt, Onana, De Jong etc. But this guy takes players, finds the right formation, plays them to their strengths and makes a better club.

At present no manager is going to succeed at Spurs due to the boardroom interfering and the politics at the club, but the best option is an adaptable manager who has more than one system in his head and can switch between systems.

Notice the way ETH can switch his defence around depending on the opposition. We've a manager who plays defenders based on a lucky dip.

For all his faults, ETH has some major, major pluses.

He's not an ex-Chavs manager and he's not Portugese.
 
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