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Competition European Championships 2024 ⚽ 🏆 ⚽

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It’s not the worst, their team for the last few tournaments was worse imo. Right now they have dangerous wingers to go with the possession.

What happened in qualifiers or friendlies is irrelevant for me. This tournament they’ve been the best, most cohesive side. I wouldn’t bet on anyone against them.

Yeah but I'm talking about the last few years in general. This Spain squad is nowhere near what it was 5 years ago. 10 years ago. They have dangerous wide players but so do every other top nation. The only difference is, they are playing well as a team right now which means those players get to flourish more.

Qualifiers are never irrelevant when a team is desperate to win. Nations League games which are glorified friendlies, sure.
 
I'm not sure what I'm enjoying most......England getting to a third Semi Final in the last four tournaments or the utter boiling of piss and angst it's causing all the England haters in here.


:dembelelol:
I hope you are enjoying it...


...because they aren't.
 
I make the order:

Spain
France
England
Netherlands

Here’s an interesting take from opta: Euro 2024 Predictions | The Analyst

France are favourites for the whole thing even though Spain are very marginal favourites (50.21%) to win the semifinal. This implies opta thinks that France have a better chance in the final than Spain. No idea how they come up with these but you can see the semifinals are both extremely close!

I hope France win tomorrow. Not just because I live here. But I love to see bubbles get popped, and I don't think Spain are quite as good as being made out. Griezmann and Mbappe are both due a goal.
 
Declan Rice – 8

Another game where the Woolwich man seemed to be everywhere. Several occasions where he made the block or the interception, and was key to the defensive effort as always. He doesn’t need to, but if he could improve his attacking game he would be incredibly useful.


Independent's analysis dead on for me. People criticising him fail to understand his role imo - he is in this team to cover ground, to stop attacks, to be physical. Mainoo doesn't really carry any defensive burden so he is the only person in that midfield to do it.

People can criticise his passing range all they want, he's in here to do a basic role and he's doing it brilliantly as usual. Great strike to force a save from Sommer too.

It'd amazing that people are insisting he was crap against Switzerland. Stats show he did the job he's in this team for perfectly well. Can he do even better? Sure. We haven't really seen those runs he can go on with the ball, even playing as a number 6, this tournament. He's also been a bit safety first with his passing. But he's broken up play, won the ball back and got himself in the right positions when defending time and again. I wouldn't give him any more than a 7 out of 10 overall so far, but to say he's been crap is utter nonsense.
 
If England win this tournament it will obviously be despite of Southgate, not because of. What I like about this team is that even though the attack isn't functioning under Gareth, it has bags of character. You don't win any tournament without character throughout the side. The last minute goals. Coming from behind twice. Winning penalties without breaking into a sweat. These are not things we're used to seeing as long suffering England fans. We're extremely hard to beat and don't know when we are beaten as long as we're still in a game. With the individual talent we have, you'll always have a chance with those things.
 
They just can't go to the game...unless...


Yeah, but that still provides ammo for bantz!

t-minus <2 days...

They’d be absolutely fine. Any doubts are based on lingering stereotypes from the past. Understandable but not based on any kind of reality, see German authorities praising how good the English fans have been. The guardian hate England fans. The article you posted reeks of it.
 
They’d be absolutely fine. Any doubts are based on lingering stereotypes from the past. Understandable but not based on any kind of reality, see German authorities praising how good the English fans have been. The guardian hate England fans. The article you posted reeks of it.
Now you're attacking the messeger AGAIN instead of addressing the merits...and, as usual, anyone with criticism for England is predisposed to irrational hate.

But how do you get beyond the self-report? Are their words just as shit as Rudiger's? Hmmmm......
 
Now you're attacking the messeger AGAIN instead of addressing the merits...and, as usual, anyone with criticism for England is predisposed to irrational hate.

But how do you get beyond the self-report? Are their words just as shit as Rudiger's? Hmmmm......

Rudiger was wrong so yeah. I thought this had been established, right? He misheard. Or he lied. Probably misheard, I generally give people the benefit of the doubt. No mics from after the game picked up anything racist.

The article is crap. It quotes a few fans who feel scared. They can’t say why they are scared, just that they are scared. This is because stereotypes exist which portray England fans as this hideous mob from the 80’s. The reality behind they’re mild as hell in 2024 and rarely do proper incidents occur.
 
Rudiger was wrong so yeah. I thought this had been established, right? He misheard. Or he lied. Probably misheard, I generally give people the benefit of the doubt. No mics from after the game picked up anything racist.
So many things wrong with this statement and plays into so many other sociological things. You cannot say that he was definitively wrong...you cannot! But his take wasn't given any credence even before it was reported that nothing was picked up on mics...but the fucking absence of evidence doesn't mean the evidence of absence...flat foot FFS! You can merely say his claims remain unsubstantiated.

But this isn't about Rudiger...beyond the point of brown people's word not being taken at the same face value as others. MIsheard is DEFINITELY a possibility...and I would LOVE for it to be the case...but there are enough on here to suggest that his word shouldn't have been discounted so eagerly.

The article is crap. It quotes a few fans who feel scared. They can’t say why they are scared, just that they are scared. This is because stereotypes exist which portray England fans as this hideous mob from the 80’s. The reality behind they’re mild as hell in 2024 and rarely do proper incidents occur.
WOW, you're patronizingly doing it! You are telling them why they feel a certain way without even trying to understand their sentiment.
 
So many things wrong with this statement and plays into so many other sociological things. You cannot say that he was definitively wrong...you cannot! But his take wasn't given any credence even before it was reported that nothing was picked up on mics...but the fucking absence of evidence doesn't mean the evidence of absence...flat foot FFS! You can merely say his claims remain unsubstantiated.

But this isn't about Rudiger...beyond the point of brown people's word not being taken at the same face value as others. MIsheard is DEFINITELY a possibility...and I would LOVE for it to be the case...but there are enough on here to suggest that his word shouldn't have been discounted so eagerly.


WOW, you're patronizingly doing it! You are telling them why they feel a certain way without even trying to understand their sentiment.

It was given lots of credence and was fully investigated with nothing found.

They feel a certain way because they’ve been told certain things. Especially by guardian reporters who really don’t like English fans.
 
It was given lots of credence and was fully investigated with nothing found.
Not by the lot here it wasn't...and they still bey for blood...c'mon!

They feel a certain way because they’ve been told certain things.
Really dismissive, D. How would you know what their lived experience is? I mean, they are telling you what it is and you are saying "Nah, I know more about your life than you do...lying cunts".

Especially by guardian reporters who really don’t like English fans.
so how's that go for you...saying positive things about England = great journos; say something critical about England = haters of England and its fans? convenient my man.

So it's only the 1970s and 80s fans that were cunts then?

What about these fine people?


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dw7567/england_fans_chant_youre_going_home_to_german/



View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dw88eb/germany_and_england_fans_clash_after_hosts_euro/



View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dvv91a/the_english_fa_has_been_fined_10000_for_crowd/


Unfairly accused?
 
Not by the lot here it wasn't...and they still bey for blood...c'mon!


Really dismissive, D. How would you know what their lived experience is? I mean, they are telling you what it is and you are saying "Nah, I know more about your life than you do...lying cunts".


so how's that go for you...saying positive things about England = great journos; say something critical about England = haters of England and its fans? convenient my man.

So it's only the 1970s and 80s fans that were cunts then?

What about these fine people?


View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dw7567/england_fans_chant_youre_going_home_to_german/



View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dw88eb/germany_and_england_fans_clash_after_hosts_euro/



View: https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dvv91a/the_english_fa_has_been_fined_10000_for_crowd/


Unfairly accused?


Mate .. a couple of light fines for some fireworks and a ‘clash’ which amounts to a fucking push. You’re trying way too hard here.

Oh and some mean chanting… boo fucking hoo, Jesus. It’s not racist or xenophobic to tell some rival fans they lost.
 
This thread has only made me dislike Mericans even more than I already did.
Don't worry Tyler...you've only got another couple of days before you go all Vesuvius and have to take a bit of time off. You'll be able to hold it down better when you come back in your new guise.

But thanks for putting it out there so your projection is clear for everyone...just have to find a way to prove theirs as well.
 
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