I didn't say that he called anyone or compared anyone to nazis. I don't agree that the UK government's language was in anyway the same as the language from the 3rd Reich. if you think so then what in particular?
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I can think of a holocaust survivor that disagrees with you...
Remember this?
Holocaust survivor confronts home secretary Suella Braverman over 'dehumanising' language
Home secretary Suella Braverman said she would not apologise for using words such as "swarm" and "invasion" to describe illegal immigrants entering the country because she was being "honest" about the scale of the issue.
Hmm' . ."Swarm" .. . "Invasion "I can think of a holocaust survivor that disagrees with you...
Remember this?
Holocaust survivor confronts home secretary Suella Braverman over 'dehumanising' language
Home secretary Suella Braverman said she would not apologise for using words such as "swarm" and "invasion" to describe illegal immigrants entering the country because she was being "honest" about the scale of the issue.news.sky.com
Not too dissimilar to the language used in 1930's Germany
Saw someone shouting at a seagull earlier. Their language was not too dissimilar to 1930's Germany
I remember watching Jurgen Klinsmann having to line up in the same team as Jason Cundy. His language was not not too dissimilar to 1930's Germany.
I’m ashamed to admit that Jason Cundy ever played for us
We really do sign some wankers!
Hitler and nazism have become like a metric that we can virtually all agree on as evil. In a post truth world there aren't many things that we can all have consensus on.
Thats why it attracts lazy and simplistic comparison from people trying to appeal to emotion. Like retired footballers and certain keyboard warriors. I also find it interesting that Stalin does not have the same clout.
Did you know Hitler drunk water? I've seen some Tories drinking water....
Just saying its a slippery slope, doesn't take long to go from sipping water to genocide.
Certainly, here are some examples of Germans using dehumanising language from the 1930s:
- In 1933, Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels described the Jews as a "bacillus" or disease that needed to be eradicated from German society.
- In 1938, Julius Streicher, the publisher of the virulently anti-Semitic newspaper Der Stürmer, referred to Jews as "lice" and "vermin."
- In 1939, Nazi officials referred to the Polish population as a "barbarian invasion" and claimed that Poland was a "swamp" that needed to be cleansed of its "diseased" elements.
- In 1939, German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels used the term "international cockroach" to describe Jews in a radio broadcast.
- In 1938, during the Kristallnacht pogroms, Nazi officials referred to the destruction of Jewish homes, businesses, and synagogues as a "cleanup" operation or "revenge action" against the Jews.
- In a speech on January 30, 1939, Adolf Hitler referred to the Jews as a "mortal enemy" and warned that if they caused another world war, they would be "annihilated." He also described the Jews as a "pestilential insect" that needed to be eradicated.
It's embarrassing you only have to mention the N word and everyone gets hysterical.
Sadly the adults left the room a long time ago on both sides of the political aisle.
And vegetarianism for that matter. Which is why i still eat meat.
Here are your besties the EU also using by your measure "Nazi" rhetoric.
"Unwanted migrants" sounds a bit de-humanizing doesn't it?
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EU looks to tighten borders to keep unwanted migrants away
European Union leaders said on Thursday they would tighten their borders to keep away unwanted immigrants, with some seeking more fences and walls while others would rather spend the money on improving living conditions in worse-off parts of the world.
www.reuters.com
They are even talking about Walls and fences, who does that remind me of?
We can also play this silly game. We just choose not to lower ourselves to that level.
"Ethnic replacement" what an ugly phrase. Surely you are not one of those white nationalist that go into to the race baiting buisness of pushing the great replacement theory.
Great Replacement conspiracy theory - Wikipedia
Here are your besties the EU also using by your measure "Nazi" rhetoric.
"Unwanted migrants" sounds a bit de-humanizing doesn't it?
EU looks to tighten borders to keep unwanted migrants away
European Union leaders said on Thursday they would tighten their borders to keep away unwanted immigrants, with some seeking more fences and walls while others would rather spend the money on improving living conditions in worse-off parts of the world.
Except the EU AREN'T using the phrase 'unwanted migrants'. The only time it appears in the entire article is in the headline which was written by the journalist. Maybe next time you should try actually reading the links before you post...
Try again.
They are even talking about Walls and fences, who does that remind me of?
This conversation is about the use Nazi dehumanising language, I'm not sure what Trump has to do with any of this.
You wanted numbers here are numbers.
5 facts about unauthorized immigration in Europe
Europe was home to an estimated 3.9 million to 4.8 million unauthorized immigrants in 2017, and 70% of them were in just four countries.
www.pewresearch.org
This article is 3 years old now so the numbers will have increased as we have been getting more boat crossings in these 3 years.
This pew research article put our unathorised (another word for illegal) immigration number in the UK at between 800k to 1.2m in 2017. The top end of that is about double the population of Manchester.
UK, Germany, Italy and France account for 70% of all unauthorised immigration in Europe.
They don't say how they arrive at these numbers but I'm willing to bet these numbers don't account for those that slip through the net and go into the underground of human trafficking.
At the time this article was written 56% of the total unauthorized immigrants had arrived in the last 5 years.
Now can you see why the government is creating this bill?
The EU are looking at their own illegal immigration policies but they are doing it quietly without hysteria from the likes of Lineker comparing them to the Nazi's.
EDIT : Actually they do state how they arrive at the numbers see the methodology link at the bottom.
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Here is the bill Spaggyboy.
Please point to the part that refers to the immigrants as "bacteria" "lice" "barbarians" "Vermin" "Mortal enemy" "international coackroaches" or any of the hyperbole from your argument about Nazi rhetoric above.
In fact find me anything that remotley resembles 1930 Nazi rhetoric.
His problem is that when actual nazis turn up he won't know his ass from his elbow having completely diluted the term for his own political leverage.Here is the bill Spaggyboy.
Please point to the part that refers to the immigrants as "bacteria" "lice" "barbarians" "Vermin" "Mortal enemy" "international coackroaches" or any of the hyperbole from your argument about Nazi rhetoric above.
In fact find me anything that remotley resembles 1930 Nazi rhetoric.
The funny thing is I don't even intend to vote for Tories at the next election. I'm going with the best Independant candidate I can find, if I bother at all. I realise that might put contribute to putting Labour in which will finally kill this country off but I simply won't be coerced in that way to vote for the Tories.
I've voted Tory most of my life but even I can't defend the mess they've made in the last few years. They had an 80 seat majority and what have they done with it?
I'll defend them from these ludicrous smears and accusations, but this bill is too little too late.
And one thing I do agree with our resident left wingers is that this bill is clearly designed by the Tories to try and save their bacon as the polling is so against them.
It is a cynical political move that should have been done years ago.
Of course those same resident lefties won't admit that the reason they are so vocally against this bill is that they are worried it might accomplish what the Tories are trying to accomplish.
All of this bullshit is just political posturing.
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Here is the bill Spaggyboy.
Please point to the part that refers to the immigrants as "bacteria" "lice" "barbarians" "Vermin" "Mortal enemy" "international coackroaches" or any of the hyperbole from your argument about Nazi rhetoric above.
In fact find me anything that remotley resembles 1930 Nazi rhetoric.
That's it? That your deflection? This is the latest piss poor attempt to move the goalposts to try and defend the indefensible?
OK fine.
The reason why you won't find such appalling language in the Parliamentary Bill is because there are required standards of language. It's called Parliamentary Language.
https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/4870/requirement-for-respectful-and-parliamentary-language/
Try again
You really are a naive and simple bellend........Who's suggesting an open door immigration policy? I've checked the Green Party's policies and I don't see that suggested anywhere. Maybe you have a better source? If so, can you provide it?
Of course, many are fleeing from warzones in regions of the world that were destabilised/ruined by Anglo-American military intervention. They come to the UK because they have ties to this country. Perhaps they have family here, or they speak English. But I'm really not sure how wanting all these things you've listed is a bad thing. Or do you honestly expect people living in a warzone, or the threat of religious persecution to just tolerate it?
Nope. Research shows that migrants to the UK pay far more into the government's tax coffers than they receive in benefits.
The Fiscal Impact of Immigration in the UK - Migration Observatory
This briefing gives an overview of research on the impact of immigration on government finances in the UK and explains the main issues related to estimating the fiscal impact of immigration in the UK.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk
UK immigration: two UCL research papers published today
Two separate research papers by UCL academics published today highlight the evidence of the fiscal costs and benefits of recent immigration to the UK, as well as the difficulties with the government's net migration target.www.ucl.ac.uk
That's not true. According to Government figures, we currently have around 1.19million job vacancies in the UK.
Source? Because once again, that's not true.
Most come to the UK specifically because they speak English and have ties to the country.
Crikey! You're going to have to share your sources for these figures because it seem we're in worse shape than we previously thought. According to the Government's own figures, we have taken in 190,000 people under various refugee schemes, and with our current population at around 67.8million, makes this around 0.28%. To put it another way, that's not even as many people as we lost to COVID.
If our country's infrastructure is in such bad a shape that it can't cope with an additional 0.28% of people, then this is a seriously damning indictment of 13 years of Tory rule. Just a suggestion, but maybe don't vote for them anymore if they're THAT incompetent.
But... I suspect your point was more hyperbole.
You've not made any observations. You've just made a load of stuff up.
Yep, the right wing media do have a lot to answer for...
............want to buy some beans?.....