Giovani Lo Celso

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TimothéeAtouba said:
Indeed, it was the same with Ndombele too.

He had his fitness and attitude issues but to suggest we ship him out in his first season was madness.

Hoping both Gio and Ndombele has long and prosperous careers with us.
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Same how exactly? Ndombele was terrible last year brilliant this year. Jose wasn’t convinced clearly and even Levy was referencing that not all signings work out on the documentary in the episode that centred on him.

Lo Celso decent last year, poor this year. He may get better he may not we can only go by what he has shown not what you want him to show.

But here comes the clairvoyance - you know he will just on the same way people reference Son, Modric and Bale and completely ignore the ones that didn’t - Soldaldo, Jansen, Postiga
 
Ossie Wembley

The difference between him and Soldado and Jansen etc. is that it's obvious by just watching him that he's a really talented and naturally gifted player.
The fact you can't see that means you just don't understand football well, sorry.

It is possible that he doesn't succeed at Spurs, but if that does happen, the likely reason would be persistent injuries disrupting his rhythm. Not lack of ability.
 
The Hood said:
Lo Celso decent last year, poor this year. He may get better he may not we can only go by what he has shown not what you want him to show.
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He hasn't been as good as last season but i wouldn't say hes been poor.

One of our better performers in Europa League so far and had a tough start to the season with injuries.

Clearly a very talented footballer that has a lot to offer us. He is also versatile which is always a plus.

If you can't see the positives about him then i have to agree with the comment above, you must not understand what you're watching.
 
To Dare Is To Do. said:
Ossie Wembley

The difference between him and Soldado and Jansen etc. is that it's obvious by just watching him that he's a really talented and naturally gifted player.
The fact you can't see that means you just don't understand football well, sorry.

It is possible that he doesn't succeed at Spurs, but if that does happen, the likely reason would be persistent injuries disrupting his rhythm. Not lack of ability.
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Obvious hey? Why did PSG offload him for a nominal fee? Why has he failed to secure a first team place with us? Why has 1 league goal and 0 league assists?

But his talent is obvious and he is really good player and if you don't subscribe to that you don't understand football - brilliant.

And if he does fail at Spurs it can only be due to injury - he couldn't possibly be held accountable in any way. Genius.
 
The Hood said:
Obvious hey? Why did PSG offload him for a nominal fee? Why has he failed to secure a first team place with us? Why has 1 league goal and 0 league assists?

But his talent is obvious and he is really good player and if you don't subscribe to that you don't understand football - brilliant.

And if he does fail at Spurs it can only be due to injury - he couldn't possibly be held accountable in any way. Genius.
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>Why did PSG offload him for a nominal fee?

Why was Kompany sold for just 6 mill, why was Lewandowski gone for just 4 mill?
Because it's not uncommon for clubs to misjudge players when they're young.

>Why has 1 league goal and 0 league assists?

You know Dembele had just 7 goals in 181 appearances does that make him shit?
Come on now we all know statistics often show only what the reader wants to see.

It's quite obvious that you've been utterly destroyed here you could have admitted your own faults and owned up to it but instead you've only dug yourself in deeper.

Why should any poster take anything you have to say seriously now?
 
The Hood is an incel sad twat.

It's clear that he feels if he projects the personality of someone with very high standards who tolerates nothing but perfection and accuses almost everyone of underachieving he will develop an aura of being a tough judge. A footballing analytic Simon Cowell.

In reality he's a dweeby prat with no self awareness.
 
The Hood said:
Obvious hey? Why did PSG offload him for a nominal fee? Why has he failed to secure a first team place with us? Why has 1 league goal and 0 league assists?

But his talent is obvious and he is really good player and if you don't subscribe to that you don't understand football - brilliant.

And if he does fail at Spurs it can only be due to injury - he couldn't possibly be held accountable in any way. Genius.
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You truly are an idiot. Not only do you spout nonsense but you can't even get the stats correct. Also, PSG played him as a deep-lying midfielder because they were stacked up top and when he went to Betis he played further forward scoring/assisting plenty. Furthermore, at Spurs he's playing a similar role to N'dombele where he's assisting the guy that gets the assist. It's so easy to say "X number of assists" as a stat but stats are so often misleading.
 
He needs to be more consistent and try to create more, fair enough he was good last night, but all too often he's a bit mediocre and doesn't offer enough. IMO GLC hasn't done enough to fill the kind of contribution Eriksen made going forward, fantastic attitude though, can't fault his application, usually see him working hard.

Also a wee bit niggly, a bit nasty...which tbh I quite like.
 
Borks said:
You truly are an idiot. Not only do you spout nonsense but you can't even get the stats correct. Also, PSG played him as a deep-lying midfielder because they were stacked up top and when he went to Betis he played further forward scoring/assisting plenty. Furthermore, at Spurs he's playing a similar role to N'dombele where he's assisting the guy that gets the assist. It's so easy to say "X number of assists" as a stat but stats are so often misleading.
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You only ned to look at Tom Carrol to Bale and Vertonghen to Son to see how utterly ridiculous "assist" stats can be.

Almost all stats in all walks of life are presented in such a way as to make the point the person presenting them wants you to see.

C19 being the biggest offender I can think if.
Lets tell people in this region they're going in to tier 3 because there have been 500 positive tests today.
Let's not tell them all 500 are perfectly ok. Let's not tell them there are hardly any people in their local hospitals with any kind of respiratory illnesses or at least no more than at this time of year for the last 30 years.
Let's not tell them the positive tests aren't what they think they are.
Let's just tell them the one stat that makes the point we want to make.
 
The Mercurial No.10 said:
He needs to be more consistent and try to create more, fair enough he was good last night, but all too often he's a bit mediocre and doesn't offer enough. IMO GLC hasn't done enough to fill the kind of contribution Eriksen made going forward, fantastic attitude though, can't fault his application, usually see him working hard.

Also a wee bit niggly, a bit nasty...which tbh I quite like.
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He's more suited to games where we will attack more and he doesn't need to be 100% focussed on keeping the game tight.
Last night Antwerp were well organised but didn't offer anything going forward. He was easily able to track back when needed and add something to the mix going forward.
Against Woolwich he struggled to keep hold of the ball or move it on and often ended up leaving us struggling.

It's not a criticism. You don't play the same team every week so you need different tools for the job.
 
Hotspurio said:
>Why did PSG offload him for a nominal fee?

Why was Kompany sold for just 6 mill, why was Lewandowski gone for just 4 mill?
Because it's not uncommon for clubs to misjudge players when they're young.

>Why has 1 league goal and 0 league assists?

You know Dembele had just 7 goals in 181 appearances does that make him shit?
Come on now we all know statistics often show only what the reader wants to see.

It's quite obvious that you've been utterly destroyed here you could have admitted your own faults and owned up to it but instead you've only dug yourself in deeper.

Why should any poster take anything you have to say seriously now?
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Kompany was sold by Hamburg because he didn't succeed there despite the large fee they paid and despite his 'obvious' talents. Under you logic he should never have been sold because he would have been a success despite him failing at club. And if Lo Celso gets to the level of Kompany at City brilliant - but he is no where near that, he cannot even make our first team in the league so what a stupid point to make.

As for Lewandowski- they paid £4 million for him because he was an unknown outside of Poland. Again the point? Lo Celso didn't achieve much at PSG - they sold him to a mid table Spanish player despite his obvious talents ( not that obvious to PSG). He was excellent at Betis but amounts to 1 season. He has been a mixed bag here which is why he has been in and out of the side so the notion that his talent is obvious and that he is almost certain to be a success with that is ludicrous.

And I know stats are not everything - its the reason why I added before that if not contributing in that area he needs be having more impact and control over goals. Dembele stats weren't great but he absolutely dominated games for us and was one of the best midfielders in the league in the last decade. Gio doesn't do that as I said he has moments and the game controls him not the other way around. How many commanding league performances has he had exactly?

As for being destroyed - well my whole point was that so many are hyping the player on very little being shown and here you all raving about him after a performance in the Europa against Belgium's 4th best team. Way to prove my point.
 
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Fattynomates said:
-------------------------------------Lloirs-----------------------------------
Aurier---------------Toby------------------------Dier---------------Reggie
------------------------Sissoko-----------Hjojberg--------------------------
GLC-------------------------------Ndombele------------------------Son
--------------------------------------Kane-------------------------------------

I think this team would be awesome!
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You must really like overloading the right side of the pitch as a strategy!
 
Whether he turns out to be decent or not, we've clearly fucked it up by not getting Bruno over him.

That toothy, diving cunt is the driving force behind the manure still being a top half team. He came in and instantly took charge, a lot like PEH. He covers a lot of ground too, trying to make tackles and blocks while Pogba would stand and watch.

Gio is never going to be the guy dictating the game for us in big fixtures. He doesn't have the world class vision and passing, nor does he have the Grealish-like guile and agility on the ball, given his extreme one footedness.
 
As for the Dembele comparisons, I'll accept them when he dominates a game the way Dembele dominated Juve.
 
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