Selection of opinions on GLC from ~page 50 of this thread:
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Ex-Spurs Player Giovani Lo Celso
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I'm beyond caring whether you think GLC is good or not, your opinions mean fuck all to what happens on the pitch, the last run of games we have been much better with him on the pitch so I'm happy he is being given this run. The performances have been what I expected, and what I was talking about prior to the run where you were adamant that he was so bad.
The above quotes from 3 separate timeframes, arbitrarily 50 pages apart, demonstrate that there was plenty of praise and positivity about him, before Conte came in and bombed him out almost immediately. Following that the narrative changed to he 's always been shit for Spurs, to me that's revisionism, plain and simple.
TonySoprano
TheSpurEst
I'm beyond caring whether you think GLC is good or not, your opinions mean fuck all to what happens on the pitch, the last run of games we have been much better with him on the pitch so I'm happy he is being given this run. The performances have been what I expected, and what I was talking about prior to the run where you were adamant that he was so bad.The above quotes from 3 separate timeframes, arbitrarily 50 pages apart, demonstrate that there was plenty of praise and positivity about him, before Conte came in and bombed him out almost immediately. Following that the narrative changed to he 's always been shit for Spurs, to me that's revisionism, plain and simple.
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One of the differences in the Newcastle game was the sheer energy in the midfield from Sarr/Bissouma/Kulusevski, not sure Lo Celso has that in his locker although not sure why he doesn't - does he take an extra touch which slows him down.
We are not going to sell him in January to Barcelona as he and Barcelona want, unless we can bring someone better in. But with 18 months left on his contract, I'm not sure he's going to sign another contract, so that could be the defining point.
Until then, he's part of the Spurs squad and needs supporting.
We are not going to sell him in January to Barcelona as he and Barcelona want, unless we can bring someone better in. But with 18 months left on his contract, I'm not sure he's going to sign another contract, so that could be the defining point.
Until then, he's part of the Spurs squad and needs supporting.
Giving him a new contract would be madness, he would need 6 months of prime Modric form to even make that a consideration.
As you say, he doesn't have the physicality or energy of the players you mention (or Maddison) so he will only ever be a bench player. Hopefully he makes a good contribution before we cash in on him in the summer.
The above quotes from 3 separate timeframes, arbitrarily 50 pages apart, demonstrate that there was plenty of praise and positivity about him, before Conte came in and bombed him out almost immediately. Following that the narrative changed to he 's always been shit for Spurs, to me that's revisionism, plain and simple.
Well done.
And as well, 3x as many negative comments can be found. It proves absolutely nothing.
There is absolutely no quote you could find from anywhere in the internet that would rebut the most telling piece of factual information - across 5 different managers, despite being 2nd most expensive signing for us... he has either been available or trusted enough for 28% of playing time in EPL.
I am waaay beyond caring what you think of him. Managers don't consider him good enough, and I tend to trust them collectively bit more than you.
While Lo Celso had 2 nice games, it is absolutely unsurprising that we still got our first win in the game when he was dropped, Sarr returned and Kulu took the no 10 role.
It's definitely not a prime consideration, but I wonder how much his presence is beneficial to keeping Romero around and happy?
Already this season, as soon as he had a run of games where he didn't get silly cards and we looked pretty good at the back, there were Romero to Madrid links in the media, now I don't think he's got some epic love affair going on with GLC that would keep him here no matter what, but if they are tight then shifting GLC on when things are going ok for him may be detrimental to Romero's feeling for the club.
I can see it now.....
New deal.... International break... Injury.
I'm just crossing everything that he stays fit long enough for Maddison to return.
There really weren't, there were the odd comment regarding his output, largely from the same poster or two, and as you can see in most player threads that is always the case, Kulusevski gets it, fuck even Kane and Modric had it (and no, this isn't me holding GLC in the same regard as those two!).
And what it proves is that this narrative that he was always useless for us is false, you yourself even were somewhat positive about him back then believe it or not!
As for the Managers opinion of him, surely you have to concede that it was actually only Conte that felt this way, he played under Mourinho, who was glowing about him on occasion, I can't recall under Nuno tbh and I don't wish to revisit that period to remind myself, and now he seems to have some trust under Ange.
Now the overwhelming opinion of Conte on here is that he is a football terrorist, and his opinion on players isn't too highly regarded (Sarr, Bissouma other notable examples regardless of your thoughts on GLC).
Under Ange 16 games completed in EPL. That translates to 1440 minutes.
Gio has played 287. So in Ange era, his uselessness has been bigger than his whole career, as he as not been available or being just deemed not good enough for 80% of time under Ange.
So while he had 2 good games in the middle, he still has been 80% useless.
Btw, I do believe that I might have praised him for his rare games or that I might have been optimistic when he joined - there is nothing bad to be positive about the player if you don't know his level and abilities yet. But time and time and time and time again after that reality has sinked in.
Like now - he can play a few games, and then 21 yo lad comes on and still is much better than Gio in the next one. Story of his career with us.
But do you at least concede now that he was a better option to fill in for Maddison than PEH???
You mean by number 10?
Yes.
But also that he is waaaay behind Kulusevski in this position right now.
In number 8...
They are more or less on equal footing with PEH.
But Sarr is two heads above both.
So if it was up to me, I'd sell both of them in January and buy someone good enough to be a starter in this team.
Only thing Barca can offer is probably a player swap for Gio
they are desperate, they gave adama traore a try before realising hes utter turd. thats how desperate they have got when they are trying players like that. they probably only have a handful of useful players and they wouldnt give any of those away.
Problem with Barca is every player there is on mega wages which nobody else can afford - and neither can they hence their financial position now ! So doubt if a player exchange could work
Yeah it's a weird club now.
Kulusevski is objectively the better player in my opinion and his future is at 10, he is wasted on the wing. I think for this reason if Barcelona offer us in the region of £25-30m for GLC in Jan we should take the money, I also think it's time to cut our losses on Gil, he just never looks like adapting to the PL, Johnson is a good option down the right, Solomon will do for cover there when he's back, I really think we need another LW though. Son will be gone for 4-5 weeks in Jan for the Asia Cup, which will leave us looking very weak in the front line IMO, Richy up top and Gil down the left pretty much the only option we have apart from moving Johnson back to the left and shoving Kulu out right again, which I cannot stress enough, I really do not want to see.
Shit Harry KaneLewa?
