Greavesie is still all-time top goalscorer in the big 5 leagues

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Yep, our Jimmy still heads the list, though maybe Messi and Ronaldo will overtake him.

Greavesie just pips Gerd Muller, due to the 9 he got while in Italy added to the 357 in England.

Greavesie was my idol as a kid, and I was privílged to have seen some of his best goals at the Lane. Unfortunately one of his greatest, one of 4 he put past Peter Shilton then of Leicester was never preserved on film, though I think the BBC did have footage of it at one time. (Might be wrong there, but I remember writing to them once trying to track it down, as a fellow fan had said he saw it on local news, and I kinda remember a sole camera being in the TV gantry that day).

Anyway, congrats Greavesie on still topping the list. Not that Sky ever mention it, you'd think it was Shearer leading the way, because of course football didn't exist before the Prem :rolleyes:
 
Think he meant Premier League, old Div 1 was a separate entity but you're correct for top division.

P.S. William Dean. He hated 'Dixie'. Ironic that he's remembered by that name lol.
An Everton supporting friend of mine was at the unveiling of W Dean's statue at Goodison - about 15 years ago, and when they pulled the cover off, this bloke behind him said "No wonder he scored all them goals - look at the size of the cunt".
 

Tomo

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good stats there, would have been nice to see the number o fgames required to hit those figures.


Agreed you see Rooney overtake him in number of goals for England but Rooney has had far more games to do it but you wouldn't think that the way the media fawns over Rooney.

Pretty sure it would be the same for Spurs, his game per goals ratio at club level was nearly 2 goals per 3 games roughly over his whole career which is top draw.
 
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C. Ronaldo will probably be 3rd by the end of the season, and no doubt will be closer to breaking Messi's records.

As much as people don't generally like him, he's a phenomenal player and no doubt people will envy us in the future for being able to watch the guy live.

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Not sure why you think it will be an unpopular comment, as its quite possibly going to come true.
He comes across as a complete douche (as our colonial cousins like to say) but it doesn't stop the fact that he's a superbly gifted and astonishingly talented footballer.
 
For those who don't know much about the great man's style and output, this gives a taste.

So many of his great goals are missing, because simply there wasn't wall to wall TV coverage in those days. So much of the skill he possessed, his sense of humour, his corners that he scored from, etc, etc.

Usually you had to go to the games to see the greats in actions, and people flocked in their thousands to see the likes of Greaves, Charlton etc.





Luckily, there is some of his legacy preserved for ever.

Shame there's a bit too much West Ham in the last video, but TV coverage was becoming wider by then, with the Big Match as well as Match of the Day.

Greaves was great friends with Bobby Moore, and Bobby wanted so much to leave West Ham in the 60s to join Spurs, such a shame that never went through.
 
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Juicy Sushi

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Good points, as a highly skilled and technically adept player, the modern game would suit Greavesie. Not sure about the double training sessions though :)

A measure of his natural talent is his record at youth level. Naturally it's not in the 'official figures' but it's amazing.

Taken from Wikipedia

scoring 51 goals in the 1955–56 season and 122 goals in the 1956–57 season under the tutelage of youth team coach Dickie Foss.[4] Greaves scored in the 1958 FA Youth Cup final, but Chelsea lost the two-legged tie 7–6 on aggregate afterWolverhampton Wanderers turned round a four goal deficit with a 6–1 win in the second leg.[5] He turned professional in the summer of 1957, though spent eight weeks working at a steel company to supplement his income during the summer break.[6]

My bolding.

122 goals in a season, most teams never match that in a season at any serious level. For one player to score that many, it's simply ridiculous.

Two adult records of Greavesie that are likely to stay for the foreseeable future.

41 Lge goals in one season for Chelsea, and 37 for Spurs. Costa is doing brilliantly but I doubt he'll get even 31 Prem goals this season, let alone 41. Generally speaking if you get 30 Prem goals in a season these days, it's absolutely exceptional.
31 is the raw record for a 38 game Premier League season, 34 for a 42 game season. Either way, Greaves was a long way beyond that. At this point, he's definitely the forgotten striker when you look at the halo that a lot of his contemporaries (di Stefano, Pele, Muller, Cruyf) received.

And yeah he probably would have hated the double sessions. But just imagine what he'd have done to the opposition when that fit!
 
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I though Rush would have been on that list somewhere.

Muller has a ridiculous record: his 365 Bayern goals came in 427 games. 68 international goals in 62 games. He's also won everything in the game.
 
I've nothing against Shearer personally. It's just the way that Sky always go on about him being the all-time Prem goalscorer, and I have never ever heard them mention once that Greaves outscored him in England by 74 goals and 83 altogether including Serie A. Shearer never playing abroad in one of the top lges.
 
I think it's absolutely disgraceful that there is no recognition of this great mans achievement.
I remember my grandad telling me he would chat with the fans and as a previous post said drink in the local pub.
And agree with comments that it seems football didn't exist before sky.
 
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C. Ronaldo will probably be 3rd by the end of the season, and no doubt will be closer to breaking Messi's records.

As much as people don't generally like him, he's a phenomenal player and no doubt people will envy us in the future for being able to watch the guy live.

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C. Ronaldo will probably be 3rd by the end of the season, and no doubt will be closer to breaking Messi's records.

As much as people don't generally like him, he's a phenomenal player and no doubt people will envy us in the future for being able to watch the guy live.

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I hope he crushes Messi's record like a little maggot

What a player
 
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Juicy Sushi

Evil Numbers Enthusiast
Certainly there's a lot of similarities between Greaves and Messi. Most of the other players on the list are markedly different to Greaves. Players like Shearer Lofthouse Ronaldo are/were much bigger than Greavesie.

And while Muller was similar height to Greaves, he was far more powerfully built.
Yes, he's certainly not a physical monster, but seems to have a pretty perfect blend of blistering pace, quick directional changes and a good shot from just about anywhere it's physically possible to fire from. It's a pity he played when he did. Looking at his skillset, he'd really benefit from the changes to the rules in the modern game, as well as physical improvements to the ball and playing surface.
 
For kicks I sometimes wonder what would happen if you let someone like Guardiola loose on the pre-war, or even pre-Brazil '70 football world. Then I realize that even Sam Allardyce would seem a visionary to them. And then I shudder and retch.
It would work. Modern football is boring. Progress doesn't always go in a forward direction - it sometimes slips round the back - but we're all being happily conned.
 
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Great list, thanks for sharing. I like League stats as it removes the large number of goals scores against minnows in European and international ( hi Rooney) matches.
Shame Shearer comes across as a prick on MOTD as that's an impressive record.
 
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