I think people really need to separate agendas from analysis
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Player Guglielmo Vicario
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I think people really need to separate agendas from analysis
i honestly think vicario is so useless he doesnt realise hes given him a shit pass, in his head hes giving him the ball, hes got to deal with it lol.
I don’t see him as one of our biggest problems. We lose against Forest no matter who is in goal. It only took 5 minutes for Forest to miss a great chance off the post and force Vic into a good save.
If we find a better goalkeeper, by all means spend on it, but our biggest problem is creating chances or playing any kind of good football and a goalkeeper isn’t going to make the difference there.
If we find a better goalkeeper, by all means spend on it, but our biggest problem is creating chances or playing any kind of good football and a goalkeeper isn’t going to make the difference there.
Oh look, Romero sets Bentancur up
Vicario to Bentancur this time
Vicario to Palhinha
Do keepers and players in general initiate these sort of mini triangles to beat the press all the time? Yes
Should you categorically refuse to make these passes because the ball might end up in the back of your net once in a while? No
Vicario to Bentancur this time
Vicario to Palhinha
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Is any of those a perfect comparison? No, Gray had it more difficult
Do keepers and players in general initiate these sort of mini triangles to beat the press all the time? Yes
Should you categorically refuse to make these passes because the ball might end up in the back of your net once in a while? No
embarrassing that you need to explain this to apparent football fans who watch hours of football every week.
even more worrying is that frank has come out and blamed gray too, someone whos meant to examine clips with his bunch of nerds.
first clip is to his correct foot to make that passOh look, Romero sets Bentancur up
Vicario to Bentancur this time
Vicario to Palhinha
-------Is any of those a perfect comparison? No, Gray had it more difficult
Do keepers and players in general initiate these sort of mini triangles to beat the press all the time? Yes
Should you categorically refuse to make these passes because the ball might end up in the back of your net once in a while? No
second clip, the ball is more square on so he can actually adjust to play it with his right...
third clip, exactly the same as the first ...
none of them are a bobbling piece of shit to the weak foot at an impossible angle for them to play the ball first time....
carragher is on to vicario, he knows exactly what he is. glad they do that little bit where he goes over the clips, this clown will be getting it weekly from carragher now.
Both are at fault.
The ball from Vic is not good, as many have explained.
It’s the responsibility of the one who has possession of the ball to NEVER lose it in these areas. Similar to the VdV giveaway against Chelsea, it does not matter how poor the entry pass is, Gray had enough of a chance to do something with the ball instead of losing it. He could have toe poked it to a wide area, kicked it out for a corner, belted it aimlessly to nowhere; all are better options than losing it there. Anyone receiving the ball in this area needs to be prepared to do this if they receive a poor pass and needs to be aware of their surroundings and sense the pressure is coming.
Shit happens and he’ll learn.
this isnt bottom league at goals, this is premier league football, its happening at 100mph, i doubt he even got a man on call from the clown giving him the ball. you expect him to kick it out for a corner or toe poke it somewhere lol, its professional football.
he had a bobbling pass to his left....the only thing he can even attempt there is to get it with the inside of his left foot.
have you even watched the carragher video? i mean its explained in the simplest of terms!
"yea mate, he should have just toe poked it out for a corner" deary me.
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I expect him to not lose the ball there, regardless of what it takes. I've played professional football and I doubt you have.
The only thing he can attempt there to keep possession is to get it with the inside of his left foot.
This is the best league in the world. These players are quite capable of doing more with a poor pass than taking a touch. They need to know the risks of where they are on the pitch. If there is ANY risk in losing possession where Gray is, you get the ball the fuck out by any means necessary. Gray misjudged the risk that was created because of Vic's poor pass.
You have your opinion and that's fine, but I disagree based off my personal experience.
yea course youve played professional football, you would of toe poked it out for a corner. youre right and a champions league winner is wrong.
Yeah I watched it I don't agree TBH...Listen Vicario's ball isn't the best but I'd expect any professional footballer to be able to pop it off with either foot, it's so simple. If Gray can't do a first time pass with his weaker foot to a man in space then he shouldn't be a pro footballer.
Vic's played the same pass countless times to other players this season and they've popped it off first time.
Courteseyof BJK
AlsoPhomesy posted a gif of Palhinha playing it off first time as well (can't remember where he posted it)
Your example is Vicario playing it into Bergvalls right foot! Of course he can play it first time. The whole point is, Vicario played it to Gray's weaker foot, so Gray could not play it first time. Do you get what Carragher is saying? You are ignoring the key part of the sequence of events. You can't make a pass using the outside of your weaker foot in that posiiton, only very talented players like maybe Modric would do something like that.
I'll say it again, Vicario's pass forced Gray into taking a touch, because he was not able to make a first time pass using the outside of his weaker foot.
You are both conveniently ignoring that receiving the ball on to your strongest foot to play a first time pass out to the RB area, is completely different from being passed the ball onto your left foot, and thus having to take a touch to control it before then using your right foot.
This is a key point both of you are not appreciating. Vicario passed Gray the ball onto his left foot, so Gray had to take a touch.
Yes Gray could have shielded the ball better and taken a better touch, but ultimately, he had to take a touch, because Vicario forced him to, by making such a shit pass.
It's 90% Vicario's fuck up.
Exactly. Carragher is an ex pro, when he tells people that receiving the ball on your weakest foot forced Gray into having to take a touch, because otherwise the alternative is trying to make an outside of the boot pass using his left foot, which is risky and extremely liable to go wrong, they should listen.
He hasn't got a vendetta against Vicario like some people are accusing us of in here. He's just calling out Vicario for what he is, a fucking clown.
Played it to Palhinha's weaker foot here, guess what he did here...
It's not that difficult skill to play a first time pass, you're acting as if you're asking for something which is impossible for a competent player to do, the fact that you're going on about his 'weaker foot' is hilarious - the guy is a professional footballer for God's sake, he's not a child.
Oh look, Romero sets Bentancur up
Vicario to Bentancur this time
Vicario to Palhinha
-------Is any of those a perfect comparison? No, Gray had it more difficult
Do keepers and players in general initiate these sort of mini triangles to beat the press all the time? Yes
Should you categorically refuse to make these passes because the ball might end up in the back of your net once in a while? No
There's no point dealing in facts, The fanbase on here currently looks like this:
That's Vic being burned alive of course - a ritual sacrifice that will automatically appease the football Gods and have Spurs flying up the table.
He's the scapegoat and no one wants to listen to reason. And let's face it - he does make a lot of mistakes. As long as the Powers That Be realise that an Elite CM is our real issue then let them burn their witch.
carragher looooooooool
The geezer literally referred to Archie Gray as "young Gray". If you think he was ever going to blame the English "Young Gray" over the foreign goalkeeper that is already getting pelters in the media then you're on another planet.
The fact that we are even discussing this is quite staggering. Put Richi or Johnson in that same scenario and it wouldnt even be a question FFS. Of course Gray was at fault, wtf are we doing here.
Played it to Palhinha's weaker foot here, guess what he did here...
It's not that difficult skill to play a first time pass, you're acting as if you're asking for something which is impossible for a competent player to do, the fact that you're going on about his 'weaker foot' is hilarious - the guy is a professional footballer for God's sake, he's not a child.
Oh my god mate. Again you are missing the point. You are showing a clip of Palhinha making a left footed pass out to the left. Do you understand how body positioning works?
Gray would have had to make a left footed pass out to the right back area. So he would have had to use the outside of his weakest foot? You just don't see passes like that in that position.
That you so easily dismiss a footballer being forced to use their weakest foot is laughable.
Carragher quite clearly pointed out what happened and why this was Vicario's fuck up. Bury the head in the sand all you want, you are wrong
TBF the fanbase has been given reason to completely batshit insane over the last few years. This is just a symptom of where we're at right now...