Ex-Spurs Player Harry Kane

KaneDomBadBoy · 3 Jan 2022

Datzlo said:
No that's a Key Pass.

"Opta defines a key pass as “the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.”

In addition to assists, the key pass metric is a telling way of determining which players generate opportunities for teammates.

Coinciding with chance creation is the big chance metric. A big chance is "a situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range."

In other words, a big chance is the sort of golden opportunity that players dream about and should rightly be trusted to finish."

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There was a time, not so long ago, when statistics in soccer meant goals and assists. Corner kicks may have been counted, and maybe total fouls too. Maybe. Mostly, though, it was all about who scored and who passed the goalscorer the ball...

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From the Premier League website...

"A 'big chance created' is defined as providing an opportunity where the receiving player would reasonably be expected to score and manages to get a shot away. These usually in occur in one-on-one scenarios or from very close range."

Midfielders creating 'big chance' of bonus points

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Datzlo said:
Just admit you were wrong..

Again, a "Pre Assist" is not a "Big Chance Created"

One is a statistics in regards to a pass before the final pass while another one is directly a function of the final pass.

You're welcome.

iz futbal · 3 Jan 2022

NDomBadBoy said:
"Opta defines a key pass as “the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.”

In addition to assists, the key pass metric is a telling way of determining which players generate opportunities for teammates.

Coinciding with chance creation is the big chance metric. A big chance is "a situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range."

In other words, a big chance is the sort of golden opportunity that players dream about and should rightly be trusted to finish."

The Most Important New Advanced Soccer Statistics and Why They Matter

There was a time, not so long ago, when statistics in soccer meant goals and assists. Corner kicks may have been counted, and maybe total fouls too. Maybe. Mostly, though, it was all about who scored and who passed the goalscorer the ball...

bleacherreport.com

From the Premier League website...

"A 'big chance created' is defined as providing an opportunity where the receiving player would reasonably be expected to score and manages to get a shot away. These usually in occur in one-on-one scenarios or from very close range."

Midfielders creating 'big chance' of bonus points

The Scout explains why playmakers such as Yannick Bolasie are scoring highly in Fantasy Premier League

www.premierleague.com

Again, a "Pre Assist" is not a "Big Chance Created"

One is a statistics in regards to a pass before the final pass while another one is directly a function of the final pass.

You're welcome.

Datzlo , mate..

This post by the dude above isnt fake. I have checked it on Optas website, they do refer to Big Chances created as a 1 on 1 type situation. Hes not lying.

I think you have a definition of the the word Big Chance to mean preassist in your mind, but Opta and PremierLeague.com define it as a highly likely to score chance.

Big Chance
"A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. Penalties are always considered big chances."

VirginiaSpur · 3 Jan 2022

Murphy said:
If he had gone for what City reportedly offered initially there would have been outrage.

Fans were outaged when Walker went, and that was more or less a good deal. Bale, Modric, Carrcik, Berbatov etc - we were a selling club. Then we stopped. Now we should have sold arguably our best player, on the back of one of his best seasons for less than his market value?

I don't understand some of our "fans".

Also, 75m base is not the same as 100m.

Derisory bid.

KaneDomBadBoy · 3 Jan 2022

iz futbal said:
Datzlo , mate..

This post by the dude above isnt fake. I have checked it on Optas website, they do refer to Big Chances created as a 1 on 1 type situation. Hes not lying.

I think you have a definition of the the word Big Chance to mean preassist in your mind, but Opta and PremierLeague.com define it as a highly likely to score chance.

Big Chance
"A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. Penalties are always considered big chances."

Datzlo

So you say that pre assist from Kane to Emerson that led to Lucas's goal against Palace was a "Big Chance Created" right?

Why don't you check yourself and see if there's any mention of him getting credit for a "Big Chance Created" at any time during that game.

Then do the same thing for Lucas/Emerson/Regi etc. who had final passes that actually led to a "Big Chance Created" that same game.

A "Pre Assist" and "Big Chance Created" are completely separate statistics/concepts....

My last post on this.

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ArcspacE · 3 Jan 2022

VirginiaSpur said:
Also, 75m base is not the same as 100m.

Derisory bid.

The only source for the 75m figure was Airfixx - so guest what that means

Murphy · 3 Jan 2022

ArcspacE said:
The only source for the 75m figure was Airfixx - so guest what that means

It was widely reported in the media. 75m + add ons.

Man City offered £75m and five players for Kane who left Daniel Levy "furious"

Tottenham’s star striker Harry Kane will remain at the club this season after a lengthy transfer saga in which the England captain and Man City tried to force Daniel Levy’s hand

www.dailystar.co.uk

That's they first link I found when searching. You should try it.

ArcspacE · 3 Jan 2022

Murphy said:
It was widely reported in the media. 75m + add ons.

Man City offered £75m and five players for Kane who left Daniel Levy "furious"

Tottenham’s star striker Harry Kane will remain at the club this season after a lengthy transfer saga in which the England captain and Man City tried to force Daniel Levy’s hand

www.dailystar.co.uk

That's they first link I found when searching. You should try it.

Exactly - ENIC planted those fake rumours - fact

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

So….32 big chances created and joint 4th highest in PL

Why is this being skipped over and met with “funnies” by

Deuterz as if it’s just something laughable when the real reason is you don’t really have a plausible explanation.

Kane has created 6 and missed 8 big chances.

So you could say the team has created 26 big chances, 11 have fallen to Kane and he’s scored 3 of them.

Can someone explain how the service was poor for those 8 big chances he missed?

By way of comparison Palace have created 28 big chances. Benteke has created 2, so amazingly 26 big chances that Benteke could have worked with.

Even more amazing is that he also missed 8 big chances…..it doesn’t stop there.

He has also 4 goals

Wait I’m not done……he also has 1 assist.

So from August to January, The only thing Kane has done more that Benteke is create 4 more big chances.

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

Oh and by the way, Kane has played 400 more minutes than Benteke

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

NDomBadBoy said:
Mate, a "Big Chance Created" is literally it's own stat. It's the final pass that results in a high probability shot (e.g. 1v1 situation w/ goalie, shot in the 6 box etc).

A pre assist is a pass before the final pass that ultimately leads to a goal.

So they are completely different things.

It's fine that you didn't know but really no need with the personal attacks.

Wait.

Is someone trying to say we have 32 pre assists, but only 23 goals?

:mourhandlaugh:

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

A situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score, usually in a one on one scenario or from very close range when the ball has a clear path to goal and there is low to moderate pressure on the shooter. Penalties are always considered big chances.
Opta

A big chance created occurs when you create a big chance opportunity for your teammate to score. Your teammate is expected to score from this opportunity, as these are usually one on one situations or shots from a very close range. This statistic is mainly used in the Premier League when comparing between playmakers.
Football Handbook

So, not “pre assist”

Go on son · 3 Jan 2022

iz futbal said:
Its not just that we are scoring below our xG, even by this 'big chances created' metric, we are creating enough 'big chances' to score the 6th most number of goals but have scored fewer than others who have created fewer 'big chances'.

If multiple metrics from different sources are showing that our attackers are not finishing at the level that the service is being given to them, then it would be silly to not recognize that our finishing is a big problem.

Whos supplying this service? Cause all i hear is we have no creatitivity but when our forwards dont score enough certain people say oh kane doesnt score enough with the chances created

Beech · 3 Jan 2022

NDomBadBoy said:
"Opta defines a key pass as “the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.”

In addition to assists, the key pass metric is a telling way of determining which players generate opportunities for teammates.

Coinciding with chance creation is the big chance metric. A big chance is "a situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range."

In other words, a big chance is the sort of golden opportunity that players dream about and should rightly be trusted to finish."

The Most Important New Advanced Soccer Statistics and Why They Matter

There was a time, not so long ago, when statistics in soccer meant goals and assists. Corner kicks may have been counted, and maybe total fouls too. Maybe. Mostly, though, it was all about who scored and who passed the goalscorer the ball...

bleacherreport.com

From the Premier League website...

"A 'big chance created' is defined as providing an opportunity where the receiving player would reasonably be expected to score and manages to get a shot away. These usually in occur in one-on-one scenarios or from very close range."

Midfielders creating 'big chance' of bonus points

The Scout explains why playmakers such as Yannick Bolasie are scoring highly in Fantasy Premier League

www.premierleague.com

Again, a "Pre Assist" is not a "Big Chance Created"

One is a statistics in regards to a pass before the final pass while another one is directly a function of the final pass.

You're welcome.

Christ. I don't mind you at all when you're not talking about Harry Kane, but fuck me, the internet is wasted on you.

CroSpurs · 3 Jan 2022

These two

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

Go on son said:
Whos supplying this service? Cause all i hear is we have no creatitivity but when our forwards dont score enough certain people say oh kane doesnt score enough with the chances created

We struggle to break down teams, but we have still created the 4th most big chances in the PL.
That means the chances have come, despite us toiling away to create them and making life difficult for ourselves.

Big chances are defined above.
It’s not “pre assists”

To his credit Kane has created 6
But he’s also missed 8, and scored 3 of his big chances.

The definition above includes penalties so we can say he’s had 12 big chances and scored 4

Again, refer to the definition of big chances, because this isn’t pot shots through crowds from long range.
It’s basically one on ones.

Tell me why it matters who created those 8 chances he fluffed?
No one is blaming Kane for missing chances he didn’t get, but some seem hell bent on dismissing the ones he did get, and messed up.

He doesn’t have to score every chance, but do you find it unreasonable for Kane to be on a total of 7 or 8 goals with regards to the 8 big chances he’s missed?

Really?

1882 · 3 Jan 2022

Datzlo said:
Can you give a reference for the exact calculation method of 'big chance', because just like xG it appears to be entirely arbitrary.
If none of these metrics can even agree on how they should be measured, then it's pretty stupid to base an entire critique of a player upon it.
I repeat: we may have created a bunch of chances, but if few of them are actually very good then it matters little. The service from the midfield has been more woeful than the finishing.

Datzlo said:
No that's a Key Pass.
Yes, which means it creates a big chance.
No. :contelol:
Just admit you were wrong..

iz futbal said:
I dont have the willingness to search the exact calcution. You could check out premierleague.com if you want.

But as a logical person I would assume that this metric just picks out chances that has a higher than 0.5 xG attached to it( better chance of scoring than not scoring, like pens, or shots from close range etc that usually get scored by most premier league players more often than not)

NDomBadBoy said:
"Opta defines a key pass as “the final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.”

In addition to assists, the key pass metric is a telling way of determining which players generate opportunities for teammates.

Coinciding with chance creation is the big chance metric. A big chance is "a situation where a player should reasonably be expected to score usually in a one-on-one scenario or from very close range."

In other words, a big chance is the sort of golden opportunity that players dream about and should rightly be trusted to finish."

The Most Important New Advanced Soccer Statistics and Why They Matter

There was a time, not so long ago, when statistics in soccer meant goals and assists. Corner kicks may have been counted, and maybe total fouls too. Maybe. Mostly, though, it was all about who scored and who passed the goalscorer the ball...

bleacherreport.com

From the Premier League website...
"A 'big chance created' is defined as providing an opportunity where the receiving player would reasonably be expected to score and manages to get a shot away. These usually in occur in one-on-one scenarios or from very close range."

Midfielders creating 'big chance' of bonus points

The Scout explains why playmakers such as Yannick Bolasie are scoring highly in Fantasy Premier League

www.premierleague.com

Again, a "Pre Assist" is not a "Big Chance Created"

One is a statistics in regards to a pass before the final pass while another one is directly a function of the final pass.

You're welcome.

NDomBadBoy said:
Datzlo
So you say that pre assist from Kane to Emerson that led to Lucas's goal against Palace was a "Big Chance Created" right?

Why don't you check yourself and see if there's any mention of him getting credit for a "Big Chance Created" at any time during that game.

Then do the same thing for Lucas/Emerson/Regi etc. who had final passes that actually led to a "Big Chance Created" that same game.

A "Pre Assist" and "Big Chance Created" are completely separate statistics/concepts....

My last post on this.

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"Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is.”
"Footballers from the street are more important than trained coaches."Johan Cruyff

Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple. Bill Shankly

sammyspurs · 3 Jan 2022

1882 said:
"Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is.”
"Footballers from the street are more important than trained coaches."Johan Cruyff

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Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple. Bill Shankly

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sammyspurs said:
I believe football is a simple game.
An in form Moura is better than an out of form Son.

Drop poor performers, or sack the back up.

sammyspurs said:
See how simple football is

sammyspurs said:
Football is simple

sammyspurs said:
People trying to equate football and intellect
It’s why AVB and Pochs diamond and Jose’s counter don’t work, but Arrys “run around a bit” did.

Footballers are just blokes who want to have fun out there.
Said it before it’s a simple game.

I tried to tell them, I always knew I shared my thoughts with the greats of the game

:harrysmile:

1882 · 3 Jan 2022

sammyspurs said:
I tried to tell them, I always knew I shared my thoughts with the greats of the game

iz futbal · 3 Jan 2022

1882 said:
"Playing football is very simple, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is.”
"Footballers from the street are more important than trained coaches."Johan Cruyff

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Football is a simple game based on the giving and taking of passes, of controlling the ball and of making yourself available to receive a pass. It is terribly simple. Bill Shankly

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English is also a simple language . Someone was confused about something. I corrected them. The Great Me

iz futbal · 3 Jan 2022

Go on son said:
Whos supplying this service? Cause all i hear is we have no creatitivity but when our forwards dont score enough certain people say oh kane doesnt score enough with the chances created

These chances are created by all our players. They did exist and our attackers did miss them. Otherwise the premier league would not be recorded them in their stats.

There IS a lack of creativity , we created only the 6th most number of big chances and far fewer than the likes of City, Liverpool but from the chances we did create, our attackers miss chances at a higher rater than most other teams in the league. This year, our finishing is a actually a bigger problem than the service (which needs to improve too).

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