Heung-Min Son (손흥민)

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Limited doesn't mean useless. How many times do I have to explain that.

He's not a great dribbler, he's not good with his back to goal, he doesn't score many headers, and he doesn't have particularly great vision. Though he can do those things on occasion.

However, he is elite in pace, off the ball movement, finishing and pretty decent at pressing. He's improved his all around game a lot under Mou, but if you have to define Son, it's as a specialist, not an all rouder.
Once again, how is he not a great dribbler?
 
I just watch the 2-0 goal against Brentford.
  • Son starts his run so early. It's incredible. I'm spoiled and expected him to finish with ease.
  • Great work by Sissoko, Hojbjerg, Kane, and Ndombele in getting Son the ball.
  • The little run by Reguilon as Hojbjerg works the ball along the boundary, forces the right back to respect his run - that gave Son -just- enough margin to receive the ball continuing directly to the goal.
 
I just watch the 2-0 goal against Brentford.
  • Son starts his run so early. It's incredible. I'm spoiled and expected him to finish with ease.
  • Great work by Sissoko, Hojbjerg, Kane, and Ndombele in getting Son the ball.
  • The little run by Reguilon as Hojbjerg works the ball along the boundary, forces the right back to respect his run - that gave Son -just- enough margin to receive the ball continuing directly to the goal.
I really like the fact that it was Ndombele, not Kane that gave him the final pass.

It's not cos I hate Kane, but I'm glad that it's a step towards us not being just the Son and Kane team. If other players can contribute G/A then teams can't just mark Son/Kane. They can even afford to have a few bad games, which I feel Kane did have today.

Maybe as Ndombele develops his fitness, and other midfielders (or new signings) find their feet, Kane can start to play a little higher up the pitch and be more of a goal threat.
 
The real tragedy is when either of them move on or retire (I hope they both end their careers with Spurs) it will be the first time that some people realise just how great they were as a partnership. And how lucky we were to have both of them in this team, at this club, at the same time.

Nail. Head.

It's wonderful to watch the two of them combine.

I just hope both of them are around to earn trophies with us, and if they do leave at the end of their careers leave as Spurs legends.

Both on and off the park, they are class acts.
 
I just hope both of them are around to earn trophies with us
When we won the CL semi, I was dreaming of us inviting Dembele back for the trophy celebrations and giving him one of the medals if we won the final (he did play in some group games). I still think about that sometimes.

I don't know how I'd cope if Son and Kane left empty handed. I want a trophy more for the sake of Son, Kane, Toby, Hugo than us fans. If we were to win the year after they left, it would be very bittersweet for me.
 
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Assists across all competitions since Son has joined:

Son: 55
Kane: 36

You say Kane's a top 3 passer/creator in the league. If that's so, Son's got to be at least top 5 if not better???

Anyway, you're an idiot.
It seems I've inadvertently started a mini-spat here. Apologies for that, especially to . I'm no stats person, so I didn't realise that Son had such a good rep in this area. I was just going by what I seem to see every time I watch Spurs play. It strikes me that after he has scored, his assisting skills seem to desert him. Do you have any stats specifically for that? I dare say someone does.
I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
If you disagree with me, try to do it nicely - I'm only just waking up.

Edit: Just to make it clear, as in my initial post on the subject, I'm referring to AFTER he has scored, not in general.
 
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Assists across all competitions since Son has joined:

Son: 55
Kane: 36

You say Kane's a top 3 passer/creator in the league. If that's so, Son's got to be at least top 5 if not better???

Anyway, you're an idiot.
I think Kane is the better passer, but the fact Son has more assists in less games shows the gap is not as wide as you perceive it to be.
It also shows your adjective of 'limited' to describe Son is clearly unfair.
what is your response to this?

I don't mean to argue for anyone else nor to answer instead of him, but... come on guys. Try to understand perspectives behind numbers here.

Up to this season, Kane was used as ST. Someone who plays off the shoulder of last defender, someone who attacks the crosses and passes coming into the box.
And Son was playing as (inverted) winger. Who either cuts in and shoots OR crosses/passes to teammate in better position.

Literally written into the roles that Son should create more assists to others than Kane. And at the same time that Kane would score more goals than Son. So using this data from their whole EPL career does not say much.
As well you could look at their goalscoring numbers and then make a conclusion that Kane is more than 2x the finisher than Son is. Which is simply not accurate. Because they have fulfilled different positions.

Based on this seasons games I would say that Kane vision and pass execution is better than Son's, and that in setting up goals for others, Kane is bit better. And in some specific instances I'd like Son to execute few passes to teammates better. But they are both undoubtedly world class players. They are brilliant, brilliant attacking players and I am happy they both play for Spurs and can compliment each other!
 
I love son but Kane’s clearly a better passer. Son has a good cross on him with both feet though he struggles on simple passes from time to time. If you take the most recent Kane cross to son against Leeds, Kane can make that pass far more consistently than son. Son likely gets more opportunities as he is generally in a wider position.

Son has more assists because wingers get more opportunities for assists and Pochs spurs were built for Kane to score. Sons pace gives him many assists as he can blow by a defender and play a simple square pass whereas Kane has much better technique and is a more consistent passer.

It’s a shame you can’t try to have an actual discussion in this thread without fanboys on one side or the other.
Good post
 
Son and Kane are world class legends, there is no doubt. Their best attributes and weaknesses seem to perfectly compliment each other, which is why they're such a devastating duo.

Obviously if you could hybrid Kane and Son's strengths you would probably create one of the GOATs, but as we have both healthy right now, that shouldn't be an issue for any Spurs fan.

What is more concerning is we don't have a 3rd attacker to get goals and assists, so the pressure and man marking on them every game is too high. Bergwijn has good speed, and also good touch to get himself into scoring positions, but then he messes up the final shot/pass. Bale has just been a disappointment since he's joined. Lucas is a workhorse, but that's it.
 
Son and Kane are world class legends, there is no doubt. Their best attributes and weaknesses seem to perfectly compliment each other, which is why they're such a devastating duo.

Obviously if you could hybrid Kane and Son's strengths you would probably create one of the GOATs, but as we have both healthy right now, that shouldn't be an issue for any Spurs fan.
Is this not exactly what I've been saying the whole time?
 
Limited doesn't mean useless. How many times do I have to explain that.

He's not a great dribbler, he's not good with his back to goal, he doesn't score many headers, and he doesn't have particularly great vision. Though he can do those things on occasion.

However, he is elite in pace, off the ball movement, finishing and pretty decent at pressing. He's improved his all around game a lot under Mou, but if you have to define Son, it's as a specialist, not an all rouder.
You are a limited poster.
 
You used the word limited which triggered me. But yeah I don't think there's massive differences in any of our views.
I've also called Kane slow, and selfish in the past, I don't see anyone trigger over that shit. Why do you guys only care about criticism of Son, Ndombele and Bale?
 
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