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Manager Igor Tudor

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The players don’t just look poor, they are poor.

No manager is going to come in and turn a turd into a diamond in a handful of matches.

We just have to hope that Tudor can motivate the players either through stick or carrot - I actually believe at this point motivation and instilling confidence is just as important as tactics with this current squad the state they are in.
It is so is playing players in their natural positions.
 
Our players look so weak, zero fight. But I don’t blame Igor, we can blame Frank or Ange to a degree but it’s a virus, a malaise that’s spread from poor attitudes much higher up. It’s been acceptable for way too long to lose, to not fight, to not create a fortress and an atmosphere at WHL.

It’s a reflection from the attitude of those much higher up and we the fans have also played our part by accepting it and also not making WHL a fortress.

Can you imagine some of the ultras in Italy putting up with it?

We are far too nice and we all know, nice guys win fuck all.
 
Sacking him with a micro mindset makes no sense... the job was to get 7-9 points from 12 games .... It wasn't to beat Arse & Liverpool.


Our fixtures are kind; we just gotta nut up and have faith that we made the right appointment come season end.
 
Sacking him with a micro mindset makes no sense... the job was to get 7-9 points from 12 games .... It wasn't to beat Arse & Liverpool.


Our fixtures are kind; we just gotta nut up and have faith that we made the right appointment come season end.
Fixtures are kind but running out. If we lose to Palace and it's more messing around with weird formations/systems that the players aren't buying into then what's the point in keeping him beyond that?

We need to try to get any boost we can for that Forest game and then the International Break is the final chance at getting time on the training pitch to turn it around.
 
Somehow he needs to do something we havent done for months and gee them up to fly out the traps from the first whistle. It is the only way I see us winning this game. More tentative side to side bollocks and nobody willing to get on the ball and progress it up the pitch and it will be more of the same.

Unfortunately I think this group of players just dont want to do it. Especially at home.
 
Fixtures are kind but running out.

The "kind" fixtures are yet to start.

If we lose to Palace and it's more messing around with weird formations/systems that the players aren't buying into then what's the point in keeping him beyond that?

Acknowledging we have issues; it isnt a magic wand job.

Meanwhile there are no magicians waiting in the wings anyway; should we fire Tudor after just 3 games.

We've played our hand..... Proof will out in due course.

We need to try to get any boost we can for that Forest game and then the International Break is the final chance at getting time on the training pitch to turn it around.

.....but most our half decent players will be with their int. clubs.
 
I get what he means by not getting there for second balls, not anticipating things but that’s what happens when you are not used to playing in a position, you second guess everything, you not used to the space you’re working in. No chemistry with each other. We’d be better off bringing in two wide players from the youth team to atleast give a better shape. Or atleast one. Gray, Gallagher, Xavi and Solanke playing out of position in hindsight was a big mistake.
 
Our players aren't actually bad.
BUT, they're done at THFC.

They have got so used to just turning up, playing getting beat, rinse repeat.
There's not motivation, no love, no commitment.
Heck, half the fans are numb.
I haven't felt this disassociated with Spurs since the end of the Sugar era.
And I'd say I was more interested then.
 
Our players look so weak, zero fight. But I don’t blame Igor, we can blame Frank or Ange to a degree but it’s a virus, a malaise that’s spread from poor attitudes much higher up. It’s been acceptable for way too long to lose, to not fight, to not create a fortress and an atmosphere at WHL.

It’s a reflection from the attitude of those much higher up and we the fans have also played our part by accepting it and also not making WHL a fortress.

Can you imagine some of the ultras in Italy putting up with it?

We are far too nice and we all know, nice guys win fuck all.

Lest we forget .. Spurs won the Premier League fair play trophy in 2008. 🏆
 
Just some perspective. Two games, one against the top team in the league, and today, a club confidently playing very decent football that Silva has been managing for years. What did we really think Tudor could do in less than two weeks? Unless he's got a magic wand, he's still got the same useless, inconsistent, injury-prone players who can't pass to each other, can't control the ball, can't block shots, can't shoot - the list goes on.

The only games that really matter are the games against Forest, Wet Spam, and Palace. There's no sense in talking of another change of manager now, that's not going to help and we just need to hope that the players have enough self-pride not to want to be part of the squad that took Spurs down.

Tudor will have learned something today. That RKM is average, Richarlison does care and is capable, Solanke needs a proper role, Xavi can't play wide and Gallagher playing out on the touchline is pointless and no threat to the opposition. Hopefully Tudor will learn from all of that, but, the bookies had Fulham odds-on before a ball was kicked, because the table doesn't lie - so our hope is to farm points off those around us.
He may learn but the worrying thing is he must have seen all our games this season and got enough on the players by now. Yet he picks a stupid formation and players out of position. It’s like he is deliberately sabotaging the team. He must know Xavi is not a left winger and then to compound it play a right footed young gray at Lb. Dom in the Kane role and Connie right wing. What did he review and see to make him come up with that shit? Shockingly amerturish.
 
Forest and West Ham, botb have hard games midweek. Our game is against the last remaining other teaan that can possibly be dragged into the relegation fight.

Today is done. Can't be recovered. I wish the season ended right now. Sadly not.

No prediction from me, but the pressure, as much as it is obviously on us, is even more on West Ham and Forest, and it's for us to drag Palace closer to the pressure zone.
You watching wolves play tonight. They run like mad and if we were to play them now they would thrash us. Rob Edward’s has got them well fired up. They press and counter at speed. Also they are not afraid to shoot. Why don’t we ever take any shots.
 
Sacking him with a micro mindset makes no sense... the job was to get 7-9 points from 12 games .... It wasn't to beat Arse & Liverpool.


Our fixtures are kind; we just gotta nut up and have faith that we made the right appointment come season end.

Is that the Royal “ we “ .

In all seriousness how many people on here ( aka “ we “ ) have had anything to do with running our Club ; ever ?

All we get to do is the boring stuff ( aka funding it ) .

I get that “ we’re “ all in this together . But do you really think that remote figures like Venai , Lange or Uncle Joe’s family could really be considered as one of “ we “ . ( It might not make grammatical sense , but I hope you get the point . My apologies if you don’t ) .

We , Us , Our : NONE of those words describe the decision to appoint him ,nor the reasons for the circumstances that led to his appointment. Sorry .

FWIW : I HOPE HE TURNS IT ALL AROUND AND MANAGES US TO GREATER GLORIES OVER THE NEXT DECADE .

But ‘ WE ‘ had absolutely nothing to do with his appointment.
 
This this and fucking this

If he doesn't do it for palace then he can fuck off back to Italy and wait for his next interim job.

He hasn't done much to impress in first two games despite having a free week before both of them.
Compare with Edward’s at wolves chalk and cheese on how they play and how we do. He really needs to get pace into the team and our play.
 
Spurs boss Igor Tudor speaking to Sky Sports: "We were not good, lacked everything. Attacking and defending. Fulham were much better. There are problems here, big problems. We need to stay calm, believe in what we are doing in training, and get out, staying all together.

"These are not things to speak outside, we speak in the dressing room. The problems are more complex [than attitude and commitment] second half was better, but the first half was not enough."

On Fulham's first goal: "Of course it's a foul. Incredible mistake."

On thoughts of relegation: "We are just thinking about the next game. We don't need to think about that [relegation] not because it cannot happen, but we must focus on growing mentality as a team, concentration, physically. These are the only goals we must have."

It feels like Tudor has come in and seen a team who is out of shape lacking physicality and stamina. Poorly coached with no attacking threat. Unable to defend as a unit. Low on confidence. Can't win any 60/40s let alone 50/50s. He's seen why and I don't think he can believe it.
Oh and that great coach Frank would have us better organised, harder to beat and run more. wtf have him and his coaches from start of July 25 been doing. There needs to be an inquest into what happened to make sure doesn’t happen again. There has to lines in the sand, progress meetings, checks, etc everything g a normal company would do to evaluate where you are going and status. He has let the football side rot with not one person in the club actually experienced or knowledgable to identify the issues early on or monitor as season progressed. It’s not surprising really as no one has played top level professional football. Lange, vinai, Frank or his backroom team. What a shambles of an appointment.
 
You watching wolves play tonight. They run like mad and if we were to play them now they would thrash us. Rob Edward’s has got them well fired up. They press and counter at speed. Also they are not afraid to shoot. Why don’t we ever take any shots.
Edwards has got them to play without fear.

they have nothing to lose now so its easy to play without pressure.

But I get what you're saying Tudor needs to do the same and get them fired up.
 
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