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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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I was responding to your post, my points still stand.

So you say, but very much still in question....

Seeing as (cont. below):

I'm using my own judgement based on years of what I've seen from ENIC, nothing wrong with that.

You used that article to vindicate your sage suspicions, yet simultaneously won't give credence to the parts that actually dispute your narrative.

Esp. with regard to your assertions about Conte's lack of interest in Traore or any notion that Lamptey is a "must have" for him.

Provide some form of evidence that Conte doesn't want Traore and/or that Lamptey is Conte's #1 choice then perhaps your assertions may start to accumulate substance.... Until then your "I knew it" stance is hollow.

I thought VDV was a great player for us and should never have left, we couldn't afford 30 million but if we had it I would say yeah get him still. Better than the likes of Soldado, Janssen, lamela, Paulinho. 8 million was a price we could afford.

Looking past the fact that VDV pre-dates all those players (both economically and recruitment-wise)....... (cont. below)

Yeah I do, you were the one that bought up the concerns about his injuries.

What you're saying here is that in BOTH cases (VDV or Lamptey) you would pay no heed to a player's injury history and just splash top whack on a player without a second though?

I guess we're cut from different cloth

The cheek of your take here though is that you no doubt complain about x or y players being sick-notes like the rest of us do....... In fact you even mention Lamela when building your point about VDV despite the fact that the primary issue during Erik's tenure was him being injury prone!!!
 
A Jan loan.



Another Jan loan.



Pre-purchased, but didn't leave Dortmund til the summer.



Another Jan loan.



We signed him in the summer (we just triggered the purchase clause in Jan when it was decided we wanted to keep him).



"Bought" isn't strictly true in any of those cases apart from Fernandes.


Count how many times you hear managers and pundits say "It's tough to buy players in Jan" over the next month... It isn't excuse making; it's a commonly accepted notion throughout the game.

Clubs don't want to let their good players leave half-way through the season(*).

You ever wondered why virtually EVERY player contract ends on June 30th?

(*Sure we can probably cherry-pick a little list together over the last 10/20 years, but anomalies don't disprove the norm.)

I believe my initial post said show ambition, even free transfers that come in the summer.

Also, the above loans have all gone on to stay at their club and become important fixtures in their respective squads. A loan with a subsequent purchase is as good as a purchase.

If spurs want to go and loan some high quality players this month and buy them in summer that's fine by me....

There are widely publicised opportunities out there and if we take none of them, what is the excuse? It will either be 1) they didn't want to come (the answer is often money though) or 2) we were 10 million apart in transfer valuations....

That 10 million can contribute to our end of year profits which get spent on the spurs brand and infrastructure.
 
So you say, but very much still in question....

Seeing as (cont. below):



You used that article to vindicate your sage suspicions, yet simultaneously won't give credence to the parts that actually dispute your narrative.

Esp. with regard to your assertions about Conte's lack of interest in Traore or any notion that Lamptey is a "must have" for him.

Provide some form of evidence that Conte doesn't want Traore and/or that Lamptey is Conte's #1 choice then perhaps your assertions may start to accumulate substance.... Until then your "I knew it" stance is hollow.
See my previous reply, I'm so used to ENIC getting their alternatives in rather than the manager's first choices that I don't give the benefit of the doubt any more

Looking past the fact that VDV pre-dates all those players (both economically and recruitment-wise)....... (cont. below)
Not by much, would easily Swap 13 million Pav and 15 million Bentley for VDV.

What you're saying here is that in BOTH cases (VDV or Lamptey) you would pay no heed to a player's injury history and just splash top whack on a player without a second though?

I guess we're cut from different cloth

The cheek of your take here though is that you no doubt complain about x or y players being sick-notes like the rest of us do....... In fact you even mention Lamela when building your point about VDV despite the fact that the primary issue during Erik's tenure was him being injury prone!!!
I would pay heed to it of course, if I'm expecting them to be first team players not just be bench players and the injuries are so much of a concern then I just won't buy them, cutting 30 million from the price tag wouldn't ease my concerns because the issues are still there, but you would buy him at 20 million, so if the club really had the money to spend and it wouldn't cause a problem, why not 50 million?
 
I believe my initial post said show ambition,

I've done nothing more than debunk the highlighted statements that you made, mate.

If you'd like to see us be more ambitious then I think that's a universal sentiment.... If and why we are/aren't is a far deeper discussion.

What the bulk of your post attempted to do was paint a picture; the composite of much was not true.

even free transfers that come in the summer.

"These players have been bought by teams with an urgent need at the time. "

Only 1 of them were bought in a January window and two of which were actually deals negotiated for or in the summer.

......But if you wanna back-peddle then c'est la vie; lets move onto the rest of your new post:

Also, the above loans have all gone on to stay at their club and become important fixtures in their respective squads. A loan with a subsequent purchase is as good as a purchase.

If spurs want to go and loan some high quality players this month and buy them in summer that's fine by me....

IF clubs want to loan (or sell) us some "high quality" players is the pivotal issue there...... To think otherwise is getting the bull before the horns.

The point remains it is an anomaly for clubs to want to let "high quality" players leave in Jan..... Be that on sale, on loan and certainly "free" ones.

Let's make this a little less hypothetical:

Do you have anyone in mind?

......If so, for what reason do you think their parent club will let them go rather than wait til the summer (substantial reasons mind; not fan theory or the say-so of some no-mark twitter blokes)?
 
Barcelona signed Ferran Torres but can’t register him, he has to go back to city, knowing Pep, he probably will be training with the reserves or youth team; except Guardiolas sentiments weigh in. I’m wondering, can’t we offer him a loan?
I mean he is quality, we lack quality, and we lack goals.
 
It did, but I think/hope it is more an advertising vehicle for something not too vulgar and disruptive to the worlds chi! (fat hope)

Makes sense for someone to sponsor and buy a stake (as it allows a world class coach, in the moment, to go head to head with City/Chelsea/Utd/Pool for players for 18months, we hope!!!)

As said, would you accept Berkshire Hathaway Stadium and 10% stake for £250M cash injection (plus a yearly naming right payment for 20years covering the stadium debt mostly)?
I think Warren Buffet is one of the less invasive types but who knows who will be in charge? I'd really like to see the naming rights go to a UK org though.
 
The reason I don’t agree with this is Woolwich are getting closer to vlahovic, we are screaming out for a striker and there’s been so much noise about conte wanting him, there is quality out there in January we just need to stump up the cash.

David Ornstein (I know he’s a dirty gooner) doesn’t usually make up lies about this sort of stuff and he’s saying Woolwich are best placed.

Why isn’t that us?

They're no closer to him than anyone.

Haha "Fernando's" autocorrect gives away that you watch Take Me Out, what a big girl's blouse (as Alan Partridge would say).

Oh no, this response gives away that I've also watched Take Me Out. :( Delete, Delete!

I've no idea what that is. I mean, I've heard of the show, but neither watch it or know what you mean.
 
The reason I don’t agree with this is Woolwich are getting closer to vlahovic, we are screaming out for a striker and there’s been so much noise about conte wanting him, there is quality out there in January we just need to stump up the cash.

David Ornstein (I know he’s a dirty gooner) doesn’t usually make up lies about this sort of stuff and he’s saying Woolwich are best placed.

Why isn’t that us?
No they’re not.
 
I've done nothing more than debunk the highlighted statements that you made, mate.

If you'd like to see us be more ambitious then I think that's a universal sentiment.... If and why we are/aren't is a far deeper discussion.

What the bulk of your post attempted to do was paint a picture; the composite of much was not true.



"These players have been bought by teams with an urgent need at the time. "

Only 1 of them were bought in a January window and two of which were actually deals negotiated for or in the summer.

......But if you wanna back-peddle then c'est la vie; lets move onto the rest of your new post:



IF clubs want to loan (or sell) us some "high quality" players is the pivotal issue there...... To think otherwise is getting the bull before the horns.

The point remains it is an anomaly for clubs to want to let "high quality" players leave in Jan..... Be that on sale, on loan and certainly "free" ones.

Let's make this a little less hypothetical:

Do you have anyone in mind?

......If so, for what reason do you think their parent club will let them go rather than wait til the summer (substantial reasons mind; not fan theory or the say-so of some no-mark twitter blokes)?

What substantial reasons do you accept? I don't have the clubs on WhatsApp.

I can point you to players that are free agents in summer and could be signed on pre-contract now though and improve this team...

Dybala
Kessie
Brozovic
Zakaria
Isco
Rudiger

I can also point you to players whose contract expires in 2023 who clubs might be open to selling...

Vlahovic
Skriniar
De Vrij
Gravenberch
Adama traore

EDIT: Digne is also a notoriously good crosser from a left back position, his own manager has openly shared that he wants to leave.
 
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See my previous reply, I'm so used to ENIC getting their alternatives in rather than the manager's first choices that I don't give the benefit of the doubt any more

This is not about "benefit of the doubt"

It's about your "See, I'm right" claim despite your evidence not being fit for purpose.

Not by much, would easily Swap 13 million Pav and 15 million Bentley for VDV.

......Fuck knows what this tangent is meant to establish.

With the gift of hindsight you'd rather VDV than some of our more underwhelming signings.

I would pay heed to it of course,

......But you aren't here or in the case of VDV.

Lamptey has legit injury concerns.
VDV was know to be a risk HENCE the 8m price-tag.

Your simplistic view is "Don't care..... Pay top whack"

if I'm expecting them to be first team players not just be bench players and the injuries are so much of a concern then I just won't buy them, cutting 30 million from the price tag wouldn't ease my concerns because the issues are still there, but you would buy him at 20 million, so if the club really had the money to spend and it wouldn't cause a problem, why not 50 million?

You have no basic grasp of "risk vs reward" it seems.

You weight up the pros and cons of any player and if you decide that you want to take a punt on them you then decide how much you are prepared to pay for that punt.

50m for a young FB with a high ceiling = medium risk
50m for a young FB with a high ceiling, but dubious injury history = high risk.
20m or a young FB with a high ceiling, but dubious injury history = medium risk

8m (old money) for a suspected broken VDV = low/medium risk
30m (old money) for a suspected broken VDV = high risk.


I'm out.
 
if he comes back and can get fit on a low wage contract then surely this is a good thing? another option in a position we desperately need class in - and he will no doubt wanting to show he can still cut it... and can take a free kick which no one else can
Agree, depending on the financial implications of any possible deal not withstanding health issues, it would seem a smart move if Conte was in favour
 
Lamptey's not in the line up or on the bench today for Brighton.

Is he injured again?

GP says Albion do not have to sell anybody but does not totally rule it out.

Expects all current players to still be here in Feb.

Believes "speculation" is okay - as a sign of how well Albion are doing.

No bids received so far.
 
What substantial reasons do you accept? I don't have the clubs on WhatsApp.

I can point you to players that are free agents in summer and could be signed on pre-contract now though and improve this team...

Dybala
Kessie
Brozovic
Zakaria
Isco
Rudiger

I can also point you to players whose contract expires in 2023 who clubs might be open to selling...

Vlahovic
Skriniar
De Vrij
Gravenberch
Adama traore
Al these players coming to the end of contracts are in no rush. Many will hold out, hoping a PSG, Madrid or Liverpool will offer them the wages they want.. Kessie and Brozovic aren't going to just jump up and sign a contract the second Tottenham offer the terms they want. I'd be shocked if the club hadn't made contact of some sort with Kessie and Brozovic to be honest. Apparently Brozovic is happy at Inter and very open to signing a new deal. Rudiger probably unlikely to join a club well beneath him in the league, could be wrong on that, but unlikely to agree to a pre-contract with a local rival club mid-season. Isco was good five years ago. Dybala no longer worth the 200k+ he'll be looking for and unsuited to pace of PL.

Vlahovic, Skriniar, De Vrij not going to move in January. Gravenberch not going to move to Tottenham. We may very well sign Traore.
 
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