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Transfers January 2022 - Transfer Window

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Could really do with a couple of transfers before the Derby. It is a huge game. Cannot afford to lose that if we want top 4. Up to Levy/Lewis though. Not sure they ever read the chapter 'speculate to accumulate'.
 
So you were just basically beating your chest and talking overzealous guff then?

i.e. A) Not "paid 30M for a 2BN asset" as you stated then and B) nothing to credibly suggest an "unlimited budget".

Roughly half that so-called 2bn value is wrapped up in the stadium bonds..... If they were to sell up tomorrow; you can effectively knock that amount off of any potential sale price.



Ask yourself why other clubs who have had minimal trophy yield since to EPL TV rights blew up aren't also valued at 2bn?

- Ashley bought Newcastle in 2007 for £134m and only sold for £300m.
- Everton are valued at 455m euro (approx £381 million).

Ok, Newcastle dabbled with relegation a couple of times, but Everton never got the drop, got roughly the same amount of EPL TV money in that time and were perceived to be ahead of us in footballing terms for the first half of the EPL-era.... They even burned a fuck load of money on


the trf market over the last 5/6 years....

Why is it you think that our value has grown exponentially compared to every other non-big 6 team even though we were in the gutter (relatively speaking) when ENIC took over?

The answer is because we have been developed; rebuilt and re-grown.... Regular European football, CL runs, CL final, better EPL placings, increased profile leading to better sponsorships, commercial deals yadda yadda yadda.

(Perhaps start a thread if you want to explore this further.)
80’s we were the biggest club bar Utd/Liverpool even tho Goons, Villa and Everton won more…. 90’s we were Sugar’d (Mike Ashley 1.0) and ENIC have done a 6/10 since to steady it. We haven’t developed into anything, we’ve merely drifted back up to somewhere close we always were in the 50’s-80’s

Not saying they are Sugar / Ashley low level, but the football side is a shitfest based on our heritage.

They aren’t hopeless, but they are certainly not geniuses like you make out
 
The "forgotten" man Reece Oxford may be a useful backup option at CB; although I doubt he'll return to the EPL to be a backup.
I think he would be considered a home-grown player (and he was once a Spurs academy player, before joining West Ham)


 
So you were just basically beating your chest and talking overzealous guff then?

i.e. A) Not "paid 30M for a 2BN asset" as you stated then and B) nothing to credibly suggest an "unlimited budget".

Roughly half that so-called 2bn value is wrapped up in the stadium bonds..... If they were to sell up tomorrow; you can effectively knock that amount off of any potential sale price.



Ask yourself why other clubs who have had minimal trophy yield since to EPL TV rights blew up aren't also valued at 2bn?

- Ashley bought Newcastle in 2007 for £134m and only sold for £300m.
- Everton are valued at 455m euro (approx £381 million).

Ok, Newcastle dabbled with relegation a couple of times, but Everton never got the drop, got roughly the same amount of EPL TV money in that time and were perceived to be ahead of us in footballing terms for the first half of the EPL-era.... They even burned a fuck load of money on the trf market over the last 5/6 years....

Why is it you think that our value has grown exponentially compared to every other non-big 6 team even though we were in the gutter (relatively speaking) when ENIC took over?

The answer is because we have been developed; rebuilt and re-grown.... Regular European football, CL runs, CL final, better EPL placings, increased profile leading to better sponsorships, commercial deals yadda yadda yadda.

(Perhaps start a thread if you want to explore this further.)
Our massive valuation is like you say tied to the huge investment in the club's assets. The underlying infrastructure. Big modern state of the art stadium and training facilities. Like you say...externally financed with long term debt structured to support that investment.
The valuation of the club is therefore tied to the long term cash generated by these assets. More fans..spending more in the stadium...the hope players will develop better at a top notch training ground and be sold at a profit.
All of that doesn't happen overnight, though, so whilst we are valued sky high the cash will come in time.
To expect the owners to put their hands in their pockets just isn't how ENIC's business model works and adds financial risk. They've shown they will pay transfer fees in recent years with Romero,GLC,NDombele, etc. The big issue is we have recently signed too many duds more than anything.
 
The "forgotten" man Reece Oxford may be a useful backup option at CB; although I doubt he'll return to the EPL to be a backup.
I think he would be considered a home-grown player (and he was once a Spurs academy player, before joining West Ham)



This is exactly the type we should be scouring, especially HG who have fallen due to career/personal issues.

No idea if he's as good as he might have been, but this is where we can really turn the team around (if we get 2-3 HG underperforming to peak £ types in).
 
Romero cost us £42m and was both an established argentine international and in the Serie A team of the year. Already less risk vs Lamptey on that basis.

Add to that the fact that Romero's days out injured in his time at Spurs is already comfortably more than in the last 2 years prior to us signing him, and it is clear that we have just been unlucky in that respect.

You can't possibly compare Romero, whose injuries in the main have been post us signing him, to someone who we haven't yet signed in terms of their injury proneness and the impact on the transfer decision making. That's simply madness!
I have never mentioned lamptey not once now that is madness 😀😀😀😀
 
80’s we were the biggest club bar Utd/Liverpool even tho Goons, Villa and Everton won more…. 90’s we were Sugar’d (Mike Ashley 1.0) and ENIC have done a 6/10 since to steady it. We haven’t developed into anything, we’ve merely drifted back up to somewhere close we always were in the 50’s-80’s

You blew all this hot air about 30m > 2bn and "unlimited budgets:" and this is the best you can come back with? I'm embarrassed for you.

Admit it... You didn't comprehend a damn thing written, did you? ....So you thought "screw it; I'll just throw around some more big sounding rhetoric and wing it".....

Your take that ENIC simply lay back and counted up the booming TV revenue as we naturally regained a so-called rightful place at the top end of our game is utter ignorance.

20 years of mis-management left us in the relative shitter. We didn't just randomly/accidentally drift to where we are and have been of late. You're talking crap. You seem to have forgotten that before Sugar, Scholar was run out of town as many GENUINELY feared for the future of the club(*) and that Sugar & Tel for a while were seen as saviours only for it to prove to be a false dawn.

(*Genuine fear; not this faux-fear of relegation the melts conjur up every summer when we don't keep up with the spending of the petro-clubs.)

Sugar's subsequent reluctance to embrace the brand opportunity of the birth of the EPL left us in the gutter commercially speaking..... The timing of his dis-investment couldn't have been any worse.

FFWD..... That run of league finishes of 3rd 2nd 3rd 4th between 15 & 19 is the best sustained run of league finishes this club has had since 1962..... In an age of petro-club domination where even Man United are struggling to get on an even keel since Fergie left.

You say in the 80's we were the 3rd biggest club despite the Goons, Everton & Villa winning more, but just around the corner you'll be arguing that only trophies speak for the true stature of a club.

Yes, I'm fucking starving for a trophy (probably more than you and your foot-stompy kin well ever appreciate!) and I'll whole-heartdly decry that I want more, but your hollow, blow-hard take on the journey our club has been on and what you feel you are entitled to is a joke.
 
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People deny the Mandela Effect.

Yet, we're in a world/timeline where Juventus are reportedly keen on one of our reserve CB's, when nearly every poster on this board has CB, at the top end of their list of most needed upgrades...

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This is exactly the type we should be scouring, especially HG who have fallen due to career/personal issues.

No idea if he's as good as he might have been, but this is where we can really turn the team around (if we get 2-3 HG underperforming to peak £ types in).
By Kicker he was rated as the 13th best CD in the Bundesliga after a half-played season (above, f.ex., Joško Gvardiol, Mats Hummel)



Every six months, Kicker releases a ranking of the best players in the Bundesliga as well as the best German players abroad, dividing them into a number of categories.

The German football magazine recently released their winter rankings based on the performances in the first half of the 2021/22 season.

Below, you'll find the centre-back rankings.

World Class:
None.

International Class:
1. Nico Schlotterbeck, Freiburg
2. Niklas Süle, Bayern

National class:
3. Manuel Akanji, Dortmund
4. Dayot Upamecano, Bayern
5. Moussa Nikahaté, Mainz
6. Evan Ndicka, Frankfurt
7. Philipp Lienhart, Freiburg
8. Lucas Hernandez, Bayern
9. Kevin Vogt, Hoffenheim
10. Stefan Bell, Mainz
11. Jonathan Tah, Leverkusen
12. Lukas Klostermann, RB Leipzig
13. Reece Oxford, Augsburg
14. Rafael Czichos, FC Köln
15. Alexander Hack, Mainz
16. Josko Gvardiol, RB Leipzig
 
By Kicker he was rated as the 13th best CD in the Bundesliga after a half-played season (above, f.ex., Joško Gvardiol, Mats Hummel)



Every six months, Kicker releases a ranking of the best players in the Bundesliga as well as the best German players abroad, dividing them into a number of categories.

The German football magazine recently released their winter rankings based on the performances in the first half of the 2021/22 season.

Below, you'll find the centre-back rankings.

World Class:
None.

International Class:
1. Nico Schlotterbeck, Freiburg
2. Niklas Süle, Bayern

National class:
3. Manuel Akanji, Dortmund
4. Dayot Upamecano, Bayern
5. Moussa Nikahaté, Mainz
6. Evan Ndicka, Frankfurt
7. Philipp Lienhart, Freiburg
8. Lucas Hernandez, Bayern
9. Kevin Vogt, Hoffenheim
10. Stefan Bell, Mainz
11. Jonathan Tah, Leverkusen
12. Lukas Klostermann, RB Leipzig
13. Reece Oxford, Augsburg
14. Rafael Czichos, FC Köln
15. Alexander Hack, Mainz
16. Josko Gvardiol, RB Leipzig

Saw his passing is a weakness, but as said, due to HG if the club think he's the best Tanganga replacement to balance those books, cool beans...
 
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