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Dark Shadow said:
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Don't put up any statements that they can come back on such as transfer spend we are neck and neck wth the scum since 2019 it is identifying players to raise our levels in other words incompetence.
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The board hire the managers. Only poch and redknapp have worked out in their tenure. Think we fired Redknapp as had heart set on england job. Poch possible that united came calling and might have wanted him. One thing I would say the media are vipers towards us. When poch was doing well for us the media vouched him for united job, likewise for redknapp for England. Plus our best players get linked away. Need to stop that as seems in England we have a pecking order by media and have to be put in place.
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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Good to see you back and you have attracted a fanboy
 
Dark Shadow said:
Good to see you back and you have attracted a fanboy
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I Dont Care What GIF by Bounce
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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Son is not performing well thought is he? Not when you consider his previous heights.

If you accept we are now a midtable club then I suppose he is performing well but I aim my sights a bit higher.
 
MemphisWill said:
Not really.

The assertion was that ENIC may get us relegated.

Internal comparisons, such as wages:revenue have no correlation on competitive comparison within a peer group, which is why I simply compared wages across the league.

That is what matters competitively within the league. We don't fail to sign a certain kind of player because our wage:revenue is lower than Liverpool. We fail to sign that kind of player simply because our gross wage budget is lower.

Their revenue is higher than ours, so in order to simply offer every player equal wages, our wage:revenue would have to be higher. Alternatively, our revenue is much higher than say Brighton, so even with a lower wage:revenue we can offer each player substantially higher wages. Players don't value each £1 from Brighton more because it represents a larger share of the clubs' revenue.

Wage:revenue is a metric of how much of a clubs' resources are committed to the playing squad. It's a purely internal metric.

The point being that across the last half decade or so, we're in the top 5-6 in both net spend and wages. It's practically impossible to get relegated at that spending level, and one certainly couldn't say that ownership is being irresponsible and endangering the club's league status by only outstanding 75% of its league competition.



To your last bit - that's an exaggeration. If no other manager in the world could get this squad to be better than 10-12th, then Ange isn't underperforming at all.

But, then, we know this to be absolutely false as the same manager had this same squad 5th last season.

The squad isn't as bad as Ange has made it look the last 18 months. That's simply a fact.



Also, you're just blatantly fucking wrong about Son and I'm tired of hearing cunts drag that nonsense out. He's 10th in the league in G+A/90. He's still performing very well and I'm sorry there's such a big stick lodged in your arse about Korean fans coming to matches but get the fuck over it.
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You fucking bell end... you're just embarrassing yourself and then realise that a small minority will agree with your thinking so you decide to start cursing. Absolute Cunt!!! 🚫
 
spursmalc said:
This wages to turnover ratio is not the be all but actual wages. Which player cares about the ratio but what they care about is what they actually earn. We are 7th in that category which is at least 1 below where we should be. Which of our players do you think should earn more? Maybe Bergvale and Gray ? In the past players like that were given wage increases after they proved themselves to keep them at Spurs but they have not been here a season yet.
In the recent past we could not shift players because they earned too much and they sat out their contract. Players like Ndombele and currently Regulion. Because we do not keep Managers long enough we are always rebuilding and need quantity of players in a transfer window instead of quality. I think Ange is a certainty to go in the summer and no doubt the new Manager will want many changes in the squad so we spread the transfer budget too thinly and these players do not deserve more or we will never shift the duds.
The main priority in the summer is getting a Manager that can stay as long as Poch and does not play a significantly different system to Ange, such as 3 at the back as we do not have enough CB’s for that system.
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It's a vicious circle. If you're not prepared to buy a proven goalscorer ike Osimhen because he wants 250k a week then you will always end up overpaying for potential or in the case of Solanke a good goalscorer but not a world class one. At this point, unless you accept mediocrity i.e mid table finish, no europe, no trophies then the next manager will get fired for failing to make a silk purse from a pigs ears. Our squad is bang average. Ange isnt getting a bean out of them but I dont believe this is entirely on him. The injuries havent helped but a new manager might have turned 25% of those defeats into wins which would still only be 8th. Unless we buy proven world class in the summer which judged on Levy's recent statement isn't going to happen, then I predict marginally better season. Maybe 8th due to less fixtures.
 
VonnegutBusy said:
Son is not performing well thought is he? Not when you consider his previous heights.

If you accept we are now a midtable club then I suppose he is performing well but I aim my sights a bit higher.
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He's contributing more goals per 90 than all but 9 players in the league.

For a wing forward its very hard to make a credible case that he's as poor as people here keep saying. His primary brief is creating goals, and he's still doing that at a very high level.

He's not as good as he used to be, of course not - he was a golden boot winner not long ago, after all. And he's likely going to fall off the cliff next year or the next - we definitely need a replacement sooner than later.

But the crowing about him being terrible this season and "only a commercial attraction" is simply unfounded.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
Would that really be that surprising?

It is quite well established that there is quite the pay gap between the Premier League and all of the other big European leagues unless you are a certified star player like a Mbappe or Vinicius.

There's a reason that Bournemouth can snag players like Huijsen from Juventus or how Forest can get Milenkovic from Fiorentina. The average salary in the Premier League is just that much better than in the rest of Europe.
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I would be shocked if Dier was earning less at Bayern than he was at Spurs, far more reliable source of financial info on football club finances is the Deloitte Money league as accountants they get their figures from the actual accounts that are submitted by clubs to their respective ruling bodies and tax authorities.

Will leave you to convert into pounds sterling if you wish.

In the 2025 money league Bayern ranked 5th highest on revenue at 765 million euros , their wage bill circa 428 million euros.

Compare that to Spurs who are 9th in the league with revenue of 615 million euros and a wage bill circa 258 million euros.
 
SpiderSpurs said:

View: https://x.com/oJaayCo/status/1909226345294332384?t=_Y1hC_6ZMrZgrXfXhf0zJg&s=19

Fair play to this lot. They've turned a protest of 10 people (depending on the weather) which was seen as a joke, into something massive, and which is growing all the time. 👍🏻
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Also - hope they can keep the momentum after the season.

A lot of angst is building up because of the shower this season has been, but everyone knows there will be a new manager in June, some new toys this summer, and a general feeling that with the fraud behind us we'll at least be back to competing for 4th. Plus the usual pivot to summer sports and holidays, a lot of the pressure will evaporate.

If the goal is Levy out (and again I think it's futile), then the pressure has to remain no matter what.
 
_mehstg said:
It's a vicious circle. If you're not prepared to buy a proven goalscorer ike Osimhen because he wants 250k a week then you will always end up overpaying for potential or in the case of Solanke a good goalscorer but not a world class one. At this point, unless you accept mediocrity i.e mid table finish, no europe, no trophies then the next manager will get fired for failing to make a silk purse from a pigs ears. Our squad is bang average. Ange isnt getting a bean out of them but I dont believe this is entirely on him. The injuries havent helped but a new manager might have turned 25% of those defeats into wins which would still only be 8th. Unless we buy proven world class in the summer which judged on Levy's recent statement isn't going to happen, then I predict marginally better season. Maybe 8th due to less fixtures.
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I agree it is a vicious circle as we had a world class goal scorer On a high salary and he was offered more to stay but he wanted to be at a club that would win things. The very top players will not come to us whatever wages are on offer. We need to win a trophy and look as if we could win more. Only then will we standa chance of buying a top players. Then Levy would have a decision to make and I have no more confidence than you that he will do so.
 
I see yet another non-story circulating on twitter about how the club have held back submitting the latest accounts to Companies House until after yesterdays demo . Accounts in 2025 submitted on 7th April, accounts in 2024 submitted on 14th April, so nothing to see here.
All this info clearly available to anybody who cares to check it out.
 
SpiderSpurs said:

View: https://x.com/oJaayCo/status/1909226345294332384?t=_Y1hC_6ZMrZgrXfXhf0zJg&s=19

Fair play to this lot. They've turned a protest of 10 people (depending on the weather) which was seen as a joke, into something massive, and which is growing all the time. 👍🏻
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Don’t think it’s a movement that’s going anywhere either.

Even if we win the EL, if the wages to revenue stays as low as they want it, the protests will be back next season.

Good.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Don’t think it’s a movement that’s going anywhere either.

Even if we win the EL, if the wages to revenue stays as low as they want it, the protests will be back next season.

Good.
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When you get home tonight; if the Mrs greeted you with the news that there was a turd in the toilet that wouldn't flush and although she had tried everything to get rid of it; nothing seemed to work, what would you do?

Say "good"?
:gallashmm:
 
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